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Posted on 2/19/12 at 1:22 pm to Hawgeye
Posted on 2/19/12 at 1:22 pm to Hawgeye
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Where do u get everyone rates us low? We are top 65 RPI right now. Yahoo says we r an 11 seed in the tourney.
Alabama just lost 3 key players. Selection comittee puts more stock on something like that than 0 or 1 road win in a season.
IMO Arkansas will make the tourney as will Ole Miss, but Alabama will be hosting NIT games.
Just thought this deserved a bump, as in basketball things (seasons) can change in the blink of an eye. And yes, there is still time for them to change again.
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Posted on 2/19/12 at 1:28 pm to ShreveportHog94
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When Arkansas beats Bama by 30 at home, that will end that discussion. They had the cheapest win by far over them a few weeks ago. Now it's going to be payback. You guys lost to SCe for christ sake.
Arky may beat still Bama by thirty, but they just lost by thirty to a FL team that their fans also said they were going to spank, (which according to the master plan would drive their RPI down below Bama's). I envision a contest that is a little more competitive than a thirty point win by Arky, but then again since I also think that Bama basketball since 2000 > Arky basketball, I am the delusional one.
This post was edited on 2/19/12 at 1:37 pm
Posted on 2/19/12 at 1:35 pm to jddawg58
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And please tell me which one of Bama's road wins was a marquee win? I'll wait... I will admit you have less bad losses, but you also have less quality wins than Arkansas. Our wins over Vandy, State and Mich trump the holy hell out of anything you've done thus far. And you cannot use head to head until both games are played. SoS means shite to me when you don't beat any of them. If that were the case then all ACC teams should be automatics to the tourney.
I am neither arguing with you nor am I predicting the tournament bracket or future record of either team. I was simply pointing out the various ratings of different services along with fact based observations of teams' performances to date.
Bama has neutral court wins over Wich ST (16) Purdue (62) and Maryland (89). Bama has road wins over Georgia (98), Auburn (132) and Ga Tech (145).
Arkansas has zero (0) neutral court wins or road wins. This is what is holding your team back and keeping them from tournament consideration. The NCAA is not held at Bud Walton, and until you can demonstrate that you can win on the road or at a neutral site you won't be invited. I disagree that Bama has less quality wins. At least some of ours are at neutral sites and we have won an away game.
P.S. How did you lose a home game to Houston (244)?
Care to continue your argument that SOS is irrelevant and that Arky gets in ahead of Bama.
I will repeat myself, IF Bama gets to 8-8 in the conference they will be in NCAA. UNLESS Arky wins a road game or SEC Tourney game they will be an NIT team. DWI
And please tell me which one of Bama's road wins was a marquee win? I'll wait... I will admit you have less bad losses, but you also have less quality wins than Arkansas. Our wins over Vandy, State and Mich trump the holy hell out of anything you've done thus far. And you cannot use head to head until both games are played. SoS means shite to me when you don't beat any of them. If that were the case then all ACC teams should be automatics to the tourney.
I am neither arguing with you nor am I predicting the tournament bracket or future record of either team. I was simply pointing out the various ratings of different services along with fact based observations of teams' performances to date.
Bama has neutral court wins over Wich ST (16) Purdue (62) and Maryland (89). Bama has road wins over Georgia (98), Auburn (132) and Ga Tech (145).
Arkansas has zero (0) neutral court wins or road wins. This is what is holding your team back and keeping them from tournament consideration. The NCAA is not held at Bud Walton, and until you can demonstrate that you can win on the road or at a neutral site you won't be invited. I disagree that Bama has less quality wins. At least some of ours are at neutral sites and we have won an away game.
P.S. How did you lose a home game to Houston (244)?
Care to continue your argument that SOS is irrelevant and that Arky gets in ahead of Bama.
I will repeat myself, IF Bama gets to 8-8 in the conference they will be in NCAA. UNLESS Arky wins a road game or SEC Tourney game they will be an NIT team. DWI
Posted on 2/19/12 at 2:37 pm to jddawg58
Here's a little math I just did in my head: NCAA SELECTION MATH: There are 147,573,952,589,676,412,928 (147.57 quintillion) combinations in the 68 team NCAA bracket.
Posted on 2/19/12 at 2:43 pm to Bryant91092
I'm not so worried about where Bama is seeded. Right now, I want wins if we can get them and then worry about tournament later.
Tennessee fans were premature talking tourney when what they needed to worry about was winning, which takes of the tourney stuff on its own.
Tennessee fans were premature talking tourney when what they needed to worry about was winning, which takes of the tourney stuff on its own.
Posted on 2/19/12 at 2:56 pm to 3rdandlong83
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Tennessee fans were premature talking tourney when what they needed to worry about was winning, which takes of the tourney stuff on its own.
TN fans were not talking tourney so much on the SECr, but Arky fans sure were talking smack. Apparently, they have now recognized they may have gotten a little ahead of themselves, after that humiliating beatdown at the hands of the Gators. Hog fans seemed to think that because they beat Michigan and Vandy at Bud Walton, they were invincible. Any legitimate team with good guards who can handle pressure has a chance on any court, including at BWA.
Posted on 2/19/12 at 2:59 pm to jddawg58
Volnation had more than one tournament thread lately. and they're still talking about it after a double digit loss to a depleted Bama team.
Posted on 2/19/12 at 3:00 pm to 3rdandlong83
The posters who always respond with "Who are your Top 50 quality wins" when any team's NCAA tourney possibilities are mentioned really need to look at all the bubble teams each year.
Hardly ANY bubble teams (say, 9-12 seeds) EVER have more than 1 or 2 Top 50 RPI wins or 1 or 2 decent road/neutral wins.
If they ever do, they probably have a lot of ugly losses as well or else they'd be 5, 6 or 7 seeds.
Look at any of the projected 9-12 seeds in Lunardi's projections, for example. Do any of those projected seeds (Texas, Arizona, St Louis, Cal, NC St, Illinois, Purdue, Iowa St ect ect etc) have more than a couple of really impressive wins????
You experts do all realize that SEC bubble hopefuls like Alabama's resume is up against Purdue, Iowa St, Washington etc and not Michigan St or Georgetown's right?
Just my 2 cents since there's always so many uneducated posts along these lines in every thread on the subject.
Hardly ANY bubble teams (say, 9-12 seeds) EVER have more than 1 or 2 Top 50 RPI wins or 1 or 2 decent road/neutral wins.
If they ever do, they probably have a lot of ugly losses as well or else they'd be 5, 6 or 7 seeds.
Look at any of the projected 9-12 seeds in Lunardi's projections, for example. Do any of those projected seeds (Texas, Arizona, St Louis, Cal, NC St, Illinois, Purdue, Iowa St ect ect etc) have more than a couple of really impressive wins????
You experts do all realize that SEC bubble hopefuls like Alabama's resume is up against Purdue, Iowa St, Washington etc and not Michigan St or Georgetown's right?
Just my 2 cents since there's always so many uneducated posts along these lines in every thread on the subject.
This post was edited on 2/19/12 at 3:03 pm
Posted on 2/19/12 at 3:08 pm to wm72
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Look at any of the projected 9-12 seeds in Lunardi's projections, for example. Do any of those projected seeds (Texas, Arizona, St Louis, Cal, NC St, Illinois, Purdue, Iowa St ect ect etc) have more than a couple of really impressive wins????
I really wish the committee would adopt a rule like they do for bowl games that if you don't finish at least .500% in your conference, then you are not eligible. To think that there are 9 teams from the Big 10 that might get in is unthinkable. How good a year can you say you had if you finish below .500%
Posted on 2/19/12 at 3:12 pm to jddawg58
Shhh..Bama snuck in a few years back with a 17-12 and 7-9 record. 
Posted on 2/19/12 at 3:14 pm to jddawg58
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I really wish the committee would adopt a rule like they do for bowl games that if you don't finish at least .500% in your conference, then you are not eligible.
It's really a hard call though if you're going to have 36 or so at large teams.
As mediocre as Purdue or Northwestern have been, they do have more decent wins than, say, Cal who may actually win the PAC12 but haven't beaten a team in the top 65 of the RPI yet.
Posted on 2/19/12 at 3:17 pm to 3rdandlong83
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Shhh..Bama snuck in a few years back with a 17-12 and 7-9 record.
Went out first round in 2002-2003. Also didn't get in last year with 12-4 SEC mark, would have if that rule was in place. More equitable rule, also help mid majors.
Posted on 2/19/12 at 4:02 pm to wm72
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As mediocre as Purdue or Northwestern have been, they do have more decent wins than, say, Cal who may actually win the PAC12 but haven't beaten a team in the top 65 of the RPI yet.
Purdue is 7-6. NW is 6-8. Minn and ILL are still being discussed and are under consideration at 5-9. That is sheer lunacy.
Posted on 2/19/12 at 4:42 pm to jddawg58
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Where do u get everyone rates us low? We are top 65 RPI right now. Yahoo says we r an 11 seed in the tourney.
Alabama just lost 3 key players. Selection comittee puts more stock on something like that than 0 or 1 road win in a season.
IMO Arkansas will make the tourney as will Ole Miss, but Alabama will be hosting NIT games.
As of February 19th, Bama's BPI is 27, MSU's BPI is 52, LSU's BPI is 81, TN's BPI is 82, OM's BPI is 93, Arky's BPI is 96.
At present, Bama is fourth rated SEC team and Arky is 9th rated. Just saying, Hogs have a little more of a hill to climb than Bama to get an at large bid.
Posted on 2/19/12 at 5:01 pm to jddawg58
The only way Arky or Ole Miss gets in the tournament is by reaching the SEC tourney championship game, and they may even have to win it.
Posted on 2/19/12 at 5:03 pm to jddawg58
Hawgeye is one of the dumbest fricks I've ever seen type,he is good comedy... 
Posted on 2/19/12 at 5:13 pm to TT9
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Hawgeye is one of the dumbest fricks I've ever seen type,he is good comedy...
Maybe so, but he roots for one of the top 10-12 basketball programs in the country. One so good that it supercedes the normal tournament entrant qualifications, so as to allow the Hogs to expose their basketball prowess even when they have not earned it, due to the prior champion exemption.
Former champions get the benefit of the doubt if they are on the bubble, so as to drive better tv ratings since everyone wants to see the Hogs play. Everyone knows that a ninth place finish in the SEC by the Hogs will get them an at large bid over a fourth place SEC finish by the Tide, at least in Hawgeyeland.
Posted on 2/19/12 at 5:41 pm to jddawg58
All of these teams you are talking about aren't even good. Alabama sucks at basketball.
Posted on 2/19/12 at 5:42 pm to 1991UW
Posted on 2/19/12 at 5:44 pm to jddawg58
Top 10 or 12 my arse...
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