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re: ESPN article from December 2004 - LSU coach decides NFL can't wait
Posted on 1/3/17 at 11:03 pm to LSUgrad88
Posted on 1/3/17 at 11:03 pm to LSUgrad88
He did not control the final decision about Brees. Furthermore, he discussed leaving the Dolphins at length in a fairly recent interview. The main reason was the advent of free-agency that altered team building and retention between his time with Belicheck and round two with the Dolphins... so in a way it was a "control" issue.
What I find truly disgusting here is the unsupported, fantastic allegations of an affair. Hate Alabama all you want, but we is it necessary to gratuitously assault someone's character? Even if it is an Alabama coach, why is that acceptable?
What I find truly disgusting here is the unsupported, fantastic allegations of an affair. Hate Alabama all you want, but we is it necessary to gratuitously assault someone's character? Even if it is an Alabama coach, why is that acceptable?
This post was edited on 1/3/17 at 11:08 pm
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Posted on 1/3/17 at 11:10 pm to Jacknola
You're an idiot if you think anyone told Saban who he had to take at QB. But go ahead and buy Nick's revisionist history. And watch how quickly EVERYTHING will be blamed on Lane if Bama loses to Clemson.
Posted on 1/3/17 at 11:11 pm to logjamming
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, but he knew he was never going to retain Saban. He tried, which is more than our current AD would have done.
I don't like Alleva anymore either, but this is just fricking stupid
Posted on 1/3/17 at 11:54 pm to Jacknola
Disgusting or not the affair was the talk of the town way before he left for the Dolphins. How is it character destruction if he did it and it was known that he did it. It won't tarnish his GOAT status anyway. Sheesh.
Posted on 1/4/17 at 12:07 am to lsu777
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Ughhh he was fricking a lady named candy and it was all over br at the time. That secret was kept about as good as the jimbo/miles rift.
Posted on 1/4/17 at 6:47 am to Jacknola
quote:It was never my intent for the discussion to take a turn in this direction. It was just an academic exercise in how thing unfolded with his departure.
Jacknola
Having said that, if (if) CNS was involved in an indiscretion (of any type) with the (at the time) wife of the (infamous) former governor of Louisiana, Edwin Edwards, it would have been common knowledge around what passes for high society in Baton Rouge. The three favorite local pastimes are politics, scandals and LSU football. This allegation has elements of all three. Also note by the timeline (if it occurred in some fashion), Edwin Edwards was in prison during the alleged affair.
Just for context;
Candy faces future without Edwin
And on a side note, all of this transpired while I was away from home so I was not privy to the backstory. Sorry.
This post was edited on 1/4/17 at 7:14 am
Posted on 1/4/17 at 7:06 am to logjamming
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Skip offered more money and the full backing of the AD offices, but he knew he was never going to retain Saban. He tried, which is more than our current AD would have done.
I don't blame Skip for Saban leaving for Miami. He wanted to coach in the NFL and I don't think any amount would have kept him from pursuing that. I was, however, quite disturbed recently when Skip said, in an interview that got posted about here a lot, that when Saban got ready to return to college football, he was willing to come to LSU, but Skip said he couldn't let Les Miles go after two 11-2 seasons.
If that's really true, and it's not just Skip blowing smoke, that has to be the worst move by an AD in the history of bad moves by an AD. We had literally the best coach in the history of the game willing to work for us and he said "no, you just go on to Alabama" because he wanted to be fair to Les Miles? Les Miles wasn't signing his paychecks, LSU was. His job was to act in LSU's best interests, and if he passed on Saban just to be fair to Les Miles, then he is the worst AD who ever worked for any school.
This post was edited on 1/4/17 at 7:07 am
Posted on 1/4/17 at 7:16 am to Jacknola
Man, don't rain on their "facts" according to LSU. Let them play.
Posted on 1/4/17 at 7:17 am to Nuts4LSU
I think that is smoke/blustering on the part of SB. In my opinion, it is highly doubtful CNS would have pursued LSU after having been at Miami for two years. I think he learned some hard lessons in the NFL and Alabama just happened to be available at the right time (curse you Mike Shula ).
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Posted on 1/4/17 at 7:18 am to LSUgrad88
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You're an idiot if you think anyone told Saban who he had to take at QB
They might not have told him specifically who to take, but they did say he could not have Brees. Dolphin doctors said he wasn't healthy enough and Dolphin brass wasn't going to fork over big money for a QB who was hurt. They told Saban he had to go with another QB. That turned out to be Culpepper, and it didn't work out well. Meanwhile, Brees was doing great in New Orleans. That's why he got pissed off at the Dolphins and decided to return to college football.
This post was edited on 1/4/17 at 7:19 am
Posted on 1/4/17 at 7:24 am to Wolfhound45
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I think that is smoke/blustering on the part of SB. In my opinion, it is highly doubtful CNS would have pursued LSU after having been at Miami for two years.
I wasn't privy to the conversations, so I have no idea, of course, but why wouldn't Saban be interested in LSU in 2007? He had been there for five years before, by all accounts enjoyed being there, the program was still strong at the time so he could have pretty much walked in without missing a beat.
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I think he learned some hard lessons in the NFL and Alabama just happened to be available at the right time
And LSU could have been available at the same time if Skip Bertman had been doing his job for the school instead of sacrificing the school's best interests to be fair to an employee.
This post was edited on 1/4/17 at 7:25 am
Posted on 1/4/17 at 7:52 am to Jacknola
Saban was going to try the nfl, no way lsu was going to keep him.
He really was torn but when the Dolphins gave him complete control that's what sealed it.
Most coaches don't get that and honestly saban would have been better off letting the GM handle all the player personnel issues.
Saban wanting too much control is why he will never be a good fit for that league.
It works in college not in the nfl.
The players in the nfl hated him and once he lost that locker room in Miami which didn't even take 2 years he knew college was the better fit.
He really was torn but when the Dolphins gave him complete control that's what sealed it.
Most coaches don't get that and honestly saban would have been better off letting the GM handle all the player personnel issues.
Saban wanting too much control is why he will never be a good fit for that league.
It works in college not in the nfl.
The players in the nfl hated him and once he lost that locker room in Miami which didn't even take 2 years he knew college was the better fit.
Posted on 1/4/17 at 8:04 am to Nuts4LSU
quote:I may be wrong, but I think he shows the professional courtesy to a peer and does not try to oust him from his job. An opinion.
I wasn't privy to the conversations, so I have no idea, of course, but why wouldn't Saban be interested in LSU in 2007? He had been there for five years before, by all accounts enjoyed being there, the program was still strong at the time so he could have pretty much walked in without missing a beat.
quote:An employee that had an 11-2 record two years in a row? How would SB know that CNS would end up being that much better than CLM? I wish SB would have had the foresight in your scenario but I just do not think that is a reasonable rendering of the facts.
And LSU could have been available at the same time if Skip Bertman had been doing his job for the school instead of sacrificing the school's best interests to be fair to an employee.
Posted on 1/4/17 at 9:13 am to Nuts4LSU
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They might not have told him specifically who to take, but they did say he could not have Brees. Dolphin doctors said he wasn't healthy enough and Dolphin brass wasn't going to fork over big money for a QB who was hurt. They told Saban he had to go with another QB. That turned out to be Culpepper, and it didn't work out well. Meanwhile, Brees was doing great in New Orleans. That's why he got pissed off at the Dolphins and decided to return to college football.
Yes, that is how Nick likes it to be described. The Saints had the same medical evaluation of Brees and still wanted to sign him. Maybe, just maybe, Nick did not like how things went when he did not have a massive talent advantage over every team he played. I think that's the more likely reason (and a smart one) he wanted to go back to college.
This post was edited on 1/4/17 at 9:22 am
Posted on 1/4/17 at 10:03 am to Nuts4LSU
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We had literally the best coach in the history of the game willing to work for us and he said "no, you just go on to Alabama" because he wanted to be fair to Les Miles? Les Miles wasn't signing his paychecks, LSU was. His job was to act in LSU's best interests, and if he passed on Saban just to be fair to Les Miles, then he is the worst AD who ever worked for any school.
No, but Les Miles just went 22-4 over 2 seasons and you wanted him fired?
Posted on 1/4/17 at 1:49 pm to Wolfhound45
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How would SB know that CNS would end up being that much better than CLM?
By 2007, everybody knew Saban was probably the best coach in the country. Why do you think Alabama threw what was then an unheard-of amount of money at him? Everybody knew at that time that Saban was better than Miles. Hell, even Skip explicitly stated that when explaining why Miles' salary wasn't as high as Saban's was when he was at LSU.
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An employee that had an 11-2 record two years in a row?
That was Skip's reasoning. Sure, it wouldn't have been fair to Miles, but who gives a shite about that? Bertman's job was to look out for LSU, not Miles.
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I think he shows the professional courtesy to a peer and does not try to oust him from his job. An opinion.
Are you talking about Saban here? Seriously?
Posted on 1/4/17 at 1:51 pm to Chimlim
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No, but Les Miles just went 22-4 over 2 seasons and you wanted him fired?
If Nick Saban was available and willing to take the job? Hell yes.
Posted on 1/4/17 at 3:52 pm to Nuts4LSU
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Are you talking about Saban here? Seriously?
Yes I was.
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