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re: Early signing period for football close to becoming reality
Posted on 6/13/15 at 8:12 am to fillmoregandt
Posted on 6/13/15 at 8:12 am to fillmoregandt
How about this for a recruit...
If you want to shut it down, tell the world that you are shutting it down.
"No sir, I am not changing my mind. My family and I will appreciate you not contacting us as I have no further interest in you and your program"
Coaches don't want to waste their time. Grow some stones and tell them not to call and text a teenager like some pedaphile. They have kids. They will get the picture.
The coaches who keep pursuing a kid get open signals (i.e. they are taking visits and not shutting the door completely because there is a small chance that a coach leaves and they change their mind
Grow some stones and tell the coaches how it is. Don't change the rules to screw kids out of their options.
If you want to shut it down, tell the world that you are shutting it down.
"No sir, I am not changing my mind. My family and I will appreciate you not contacting us as I have no further interest in you and your program"
Coaches don't want to waste their time. Grow some stones and tell them not to call and text a teenager like some pedaphile. They have kids. They will get the picture.
The coaches who keep pursuing a kid get open signals (i.e. they are taking visits and not shutting the door completely because there is a small chance that a coach leaves and they change their mind
Grow some stones and tell the coaches how it is. Don't change the rules to screw kids out of their options.
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Posted on 6/13/15 at 8:14 am to Crowknowsbest
quote:Why would a top tier team want to sign a 2 or 3* early anyway?...and why would those same players feel pressured to sign with lesser teams?...doesn't make sense.
That's the 5*. Those guys make up a tiny portion of the recruiting pool. I'm thinking about the other 95% of recruits who have no leverage.
Posted on 6/13/15 at 8:19 am to meansonny
That is a nice story but it runs both ways. Any recruit who feels uncomfortable with the early signing period can simply wait and not sign in December
Posted on 6/13/15 at 8:22 am to CheeseburgerEddie
You don't see a coach playing hardball and saying, "we want you to be serious. This offer to sign expires in 3, 2, 1"?
It absolutely will happen with an early signing period.
The difference is that the signed player has zero rights and protections and gets punished for changing his mind.
The signed player is not guaranteed admittance to the University and not guaranteed a spot on the 85 man in the fall. The coaches are only bound to include the player as one of 25 spots in a signing class (and none of the promises after that point)
It absolutely will happen with an early signing period.
The difference is that the signed player has zero rights and protections and gets punished for changing his mind.
The signed player is not guaranteed admittance to the University and not guaranteed a spot on the 85 man in the fall. The coaches are only bound to include the player as one of 25 spots in a signing class (and none of the promises after that point)
This post was edited on 6/13/15 at 8:28 am
Posted on 6/13/15 at 8:24 am to CheeseburgerEddie
Why December , why not September ? Or why not June? If you want early DO early.
Posted on 6/13/15 at 8:27 am to meansonny
quote:Aren't there other sports with early signing periods? How is that working out?
You don't see a coach playing hardball and saying, "we want you to be serious. This offer to sign expires in 3, 2, 1"? It absolutely will happen with an early signing period. The difference is that the signed player has zero rights and protections and gets punished for changing his mind. The signed player is not guaranteed admittance to the University and not guaranteed a spot on the 85 man in the fall.
Posted on 6/13/15 at 8:29 am to coachcrisp
Do they have the same budgets, staffs, and media publicity covering them?
Recruiting college football is unlike anything else in this country.
Recruiting college football is unlike anything else in this country.
Posted on 6/13/15 at 8:30 am to coachcrisp
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Aren't there other sports with early signing periods? How is that working out?
Basketball. It's a clusterfrick.
Posted on 6/13/15 at 8:34 am to coachcrisp
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Why would a top tier team want to sign a 2 or 3* early anyway?...and why would those same players feel pressured to sign with lesser teams?...doesn't make sense.
Most players that get signed are 2 and 3 stars. They don't have the option to wait if they're not sure or to see if coaches leave.
What about late offers? Dominick Sanders got offered by UGA in January. He started as a freshman. He'd be playing for UCF if this early period was in place.
These are kids trying to make decisions that dramatically impact their futures. Why would we not give them the opportunity to make that decision with complete information?
This post was edited on 6/13/15 at 8:35 am
Posted on 6/13/15 at 9:06 am to Crowknowsbest
quote:First, lower star recruits are offered with contingencies involved when dealing with top tier schools. Secondly, I'm all for out clauses if HC, position coaches, or ANY other SPECIFIED school employee leaves prior to recruit's enrollment. Lastly, There will always be SOME risk to both sides when any agreement is consummated regardless of when.
Most players that get signed are 2 and 3 stars. They don't have the option to wait if they're not sure or to see if coaches leave. What about late offers? Dominick Sanders got offered by UGA in January. He started as a freshman. He'd be playing for UCF if this early period was in place. These are kids trying to make decisions that dramatically impact their futures. Why would we not give them the opportunity to make that decision with complete information?
And how is basketball a clusterfrick?
This post was edited on 6/13/15 at 9:07 am
Posted on 6/13/15 at 9:22 am to coachcrisp
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Secondly, I'm all for out clauses if HC, position coaches, or ANY other SPECIFIED school employee leaves prior to recruit's enrollment.
I don't trust the governing body in all this to look out for the athlete like that.
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There will always be SOME risk to both sides when any agreement is consummated regardless of when.
Sure. There's just more exposure to risk when you're making decisions with less information.
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And how is basketball a clusterfrick?
Basketball recruiting is a mess in general mostly due to AAU. In regard to early signing, when coaches leave or get fired, most of the prospects get released. Not all. The players that do scramble to find another spot.
Multiply that scramble 10x with football due to the difference in how many players there are in a class.
It's just not worth it. The current process works fine.
This post was edited on 6/13/15 at 9:30 am
Posted on 6/13/15 at 9:27 am to Crowknowsbest
This could get ugly if approved
Posted on 6/13/15 at 4:11 pm to Crowknowsbest
quote:The kids that leave a school when a coach leaves do so of their own volition. Rarely do schools not honor their scholarship responsibilities. I can't see ANY place where early signing hurts basketball.
Basketball recruiting is a mess in general mostly due to AAU. In regard to early signing, when coaches leave or get fired, most of the prospects get released. Not all. The players that do scramble to find another spot. Multiply that scramble 10x with football due to the difference in how many players there are in a class. It's just not worth it. The current process works fine.
Posted on 6/13/15 at 4:15 pm to RLDSC FAN
That Mid American is a trendsetter
Posted on 6/13/15 at 4:25 pm to meansonny
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How does this help the athlete again?
It helps some athletes a lot.
Some kids make up their mind early and are 100% committed and shut it down. Regardless of what some people think, even if a kid shuts it down, there are a ton of coaches that won't let up. Yes, most coaches are stalkers when it comes to recruiting. A firm commitment to another school in no way shuts down lot's of coaching staffs on continuing to recruit kids. It benefits these kids greatly to sign early.
Some kids that are less talented and marginal athletes get offers, commit early, and then get their offer withdrawn at the end, because higher rated kids got interested and the numbers aren't there anymore. It benefits these kids greatly to sign early.
There are some kids that want to go to certain schools regardless of who the coaching staff is. They are 100% certain where they want to attend and don't need the hoopla of the recruiting circuit. Yes, some of these kids still exist. It benefits them.
Kids still have the option to sign early or late. It's still "their" option. Early signing period is good for everybody. However, it should be in August before school starts.
Posted on 6/13/15 at 6:32 pm to Tammany Tom
I promise you that if the kid wants to, he can shut it down himself.
Go public. "Out" a coach who won't quit. Hell... file a restraining order.
a kid can speak publicly about a school and their coaching staff. A coach can't comment on a recruit.
No coach wants that bad publicity. If the kid wants to be left alone, he has all the power to do so. And it won't even go that far because coaches don't want to waste their time. It isn't that hard to make it clear and shut it down. Hell... call the coaches a pervert. He'll leave you alone quicker than a Finebaum fan melts down.
Go public. "Out" a coach who won't quit. Hell... file a restraining order.
a kid can speak publicly about a school and their coaching staff. A coach can't comment on a recruit.
No coach wants that bad publicity. If the kid wants to be left alone, he has all the power to do so. And it won't even go that far because coaches don't want to waste their time. It isn't that hard to make it clear and shut it down. Hell... call the coaches a pervert. He'll leave you alone quicker than a Finebaum fan melts down.
Posted on 6/13/15 at 6:48 pm to coachcrisp
It's great for both parties. Schools won't be so quick to offer kids they perceive to be fallbacks, because those kids might sign.
If you're a marginal player you might lock in a spot at a big name program, instead of getting cut from the list late in January.
If you're a marginal player you might lock in a spot at a big name program, instead of getting cut from the list late in January.
Posted on 6/13/15 at 8:28 pm to Crowknowsbest
Crow, I trust your recruiting opinion.
Why can't they let kids sign whenever they want during their senior year, and the current NSD is just a deadline instead of a signing day?
To avoid a coach offering a scholarship and saying "Here's your offer to Alabama, but you have to sign it right now" you could have a rule that says explicitly that coaches can't put ultimatums on scholarship offers.
Seems too simple... like it isn't complicated enough to make sense.
Am I an idiot?
Why can't they let kids sign whenever they want during their senior year, and the current NSD is just a deadline instead of a signing day?
To avoid a coach offering a scholarship and saying "Here's your offer to Alabama, but you have to sign it right now" you could have a rule that says explicitly that coaches can't put ultimatums on scholarship offers.
Seems too simple... like it isn't complicated enough to make sense.
Am I an idiot?
Posted on 6/13/15 at 8:41 pm to RLDSC FAN
I like it.
Posted on 6/13/15 at 8:49 pm to deeprig9
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Because Saban wants it, so the other 13 schools say frick that.
Miles wants an ESP as well.
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