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Posted on 8/3/13 at 6:10 pm to tmc94
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it seems unlikely, not because Bridgewater isn't good but because he is going to have zero national games. His stats are going to have to blow everyone out of the water and that just seems really unlikely
2012
Att-Cmp-Yards-TD-INT
287-419-3718-27-8
295-434-3706-26-9
Those are that passing stat lines for Bridgewater and Manziel last year. Bridgewater held his own with the Heisman winner. Only he rushed for 1350 fewer yards and 20 fewer TDs. That's an enormous stat gap to bridge and it's doubly difficult when he has no top 10 type matchups to showcase himself
I'd say Manziel, Mariota, Braxton Miller, McCarron and Clowney all stand out as frontrunners. If you want a darkhorse, I really like Brett Hundley at UCLA. I don't see Seastrunk as likely just because Baylor is going to have games they really struggle without a QB. It's really hard to win a Heisman at 8-4.
...excellent argument.
Posted on 8/3/13 at 6:12 pm to tmc94
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I'd say Manziel, Mariota, Braxton Miller, McCarron and Clowney all stand out as frontrunners. If you want a darkhorse, I really like Brett Hundley at UCLA. I don't see Seastrunk as likely just because Baylor is going to have games they really struggle without a QB. It's really hard to win a Heisman at 8-4.
That guy is soooo underrated. He's gonna be a beast. Most people outside of California still don't even know who he is. Hopefully whoever steps up to take Franklin's place will be good to give him some relief.
This post was edited on 8/3/13 at 6:13 pm
Posted on 8/3/13 at 6:13 pm to Henry Jones Jr
quote:Louisville might flop but it won't be because of Teddy B.
Bridgewater is going to flop. I'm calling it.
Posted on 8/3/13 at 6:16 pm to Max Guru
I think Bridgewater is an outstanding QB. But outside arguments on skills, he lacks something that Manziel had last year: a marquis opponent. Yeah he'll play a good team in a bowl, but that's too late.
My picks in no particular order are AJ, Boyd, and JFF. But nobody saw JFF coming last year so who really knows?
As much as I like Clowney I just don't see it. "Run the other way" is going to do him in for that award.
My picks in no particular order are AJ, Boyd, and JFF. But nobody saw JFF coming last year so who really knows?
As much as I like Clowney I just don't see it. "Run the other way" is going to do him in for that award.
Posted on 8/3/13 at 6:16 pm to Max Guru
Jeremy Hill. Guy is the best player for LSU and will be the sole reason they win more than 8 games. Without him they lose at least 4 games.
Posted on 8/3/13 at 6:21 pm to The_Joker
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That guy [Brent Hundley]is soooo underrated. He's gonna be a beast. Most people outside of California still don't even know who he is. Hopefully whoever steps up to take Franklin's place will be good to give him some relief.
I know Hundley was ranked by some services as the top QB in his recruiting class. I think he would have to have a JFF type season to be in strong contention. He may be a year away from his best.
Posted on 8/3/13 at 6:24 pm to TeLeFaWx
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Jeremy Hill. Guy is the best player for LSU and will be the sole reason they win more than 8 games. Without him they lose at least 4 games.
Let me see if I can get this young person lingo down:
ISWYDT
Did I do that right?
Posted on 8/3/13 at 6:26 pm to Max Guru
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i'm not sure anyone is looking forward to playing Gus Malzahn. he has a way of instantly transforming an offense.
Not really.
Posted on 8/3/13 at 6:26 pm to Max Guru
You're probably right on Hundley in that he's still a year away. But they do have a pretty tough schedule and if they start winning, he's going to get a ton of hype. UCLA is ranked #21 in the preseason poll.
9/14 @ #18 Nebraska
10/19 @ #4 Stanford
10/26 @ #3 Oregon
11/30 @ #24 USC
He's going to get every opportunity at a Heisman moment. If he seizes it, he's in the race.
9/14 @ #18 Nebraska
10/19 @ #4 Stanford
10/26 @ #3 Oregon
11/30 @ #24 USC
He's going to get every opportunity at a Heisman moment. If he seizes it, he's in the race.
Posted on 8/3/13 at 6:27 pm to Max Guru
I don't really know who to pick as my favorite. It's hard to repeat as Heisman winner, so that makes me not want to pick JFF. If Derrick Thomas couldn't win the Heisman with 27 sacks, no defensive player should in it without 30. That makes me want to not pick Clowney. Bridgewater is a good choice, but the competition he plays against could hurt him.
The Bama in me wants to say AJ, and while I think he'll get to New York, I just don't know if he can win it. His only chance would be having a Heisman moment, and throwing for over 3000 yards after the SECCG and having a TD:INT ratio that is similar, or better, to his 10:1 last year. Plus he'd have to be 13-0. That said, I just don't think he'll have the numbers to win the Heisman.
Then you have RBs. DAT is a potential candidate, but will he get enough total touches to put up the numbers needed? Then you have Gurley, who is a serious contender, but I gotta wonder how many carries he'll share with Marshall, plus Murray is going to get to sling it around.
I don't think Yeldon will get it either. I see him having around 235 rushes, plus however many catches, but that won't be enough to get him to New York.
Marqise Lee is an excellent choice, to me. He has the ability to put up insane numbers with a first year QB. So because he's the only one that I can think of who doesn't have any major thing going against him, my favorite for the Heisman is Marqise Lee.
The Bama in me wants to say AJ, and while I think he'll get to New York, I just don't know if he can win it. His only chance would be having a Heisman moment, and throwing for over 3000 yards after the SECCG and having a TD:INT ratio that is similar, or better, to his 10:1 last year. Plus he'd have to be 13-0. That said, I just don't think he'll have the numbers to win the Heisman.
Then you have RBs. DAT is a potential candidate, but will he get enough total touches to put up the numbers needed? Then you have Gurley, who is a serious contender, but I gotta wonder how many carries he'll share with Marshall, plus Murray is going to get to sling it around.
I don't think Yeldon will get it either. I see him having around 235 rushes, plus however many catches, but that won't be enough to get him to New York.
Marqise Lee is an excellent choice, to me. He has the ability to put up insane numbers with a first year QB. So because he's the only one that I can think of who doesn't have any major thing going against him, my favorite for the Heisman is Marqise Lee.
Posted on 8/3/13 at 6:30 pm to AllBamaDoesIsWin
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Marqise Lee is an excellent choice, to me. He has the ability to put up insane numbers with a first year QB. So because he's the only one that I can think of who doesn't have any major thing going against him, my favorite for the Heisman is Marqise Lee.
This post was edited on 8/3/13 at 6:31 pm
Posted on 8/3/13 at 6:30 pm to Max Guru
Early call, my boy Blue gonna turn some heads
Posted on 8/3/13 at 6:32 pm to Max Guru
Here are Bovada's early Las Vegas odds for the Heisman.
Heisman Trophy Odds from Bovada (as of July 5):
Johnny Manziel 9/2
Braxton Miller 13/2
A.J. McCarron 9/1
T.J. Yeldon 9/1
Aaron Murray 12/1
Teddy Bridgewater 12/1
De'Anthony Thomas 14/1
Duke Johnson 14/1
Jadeveon Clowney 14/1
Marquis Lee 14/1
Macus Mariota 16/1
Tajh Boyd 16/1
Taylor Martinex 18/1
Lache Seastrunk 20/1
Ameer Abdulla 25/1
Brett Hundley 25/1
Spehen Morris 25/1
Devin Gardner 30/1
Blake Bell 40/1
Jeff Driskel 40/1
Ka'Deem Carey 40/1
Stefon Diggs 40/1
Heisman Trophy Odds from Bovada (as of July 5):
Johnny Manziel 9/2
Braxton Miller 13/2
A.J. McCarron 9/1
T.J. Yeldon 9/1
Aaron Murray 12/1
Teddy Bridgewater 12/1
De'Anthony Thomas 14/1
Duke Johnson 14/1
Jadeveon Clowney 14/1
Marquis Lee 14/1
Macus Mariota 16/1
Tajh Boyd 16/1
Taylor Martinex 18/1
Lache Seastrunk 20/1
Ameer Abdulla 25/1
Brett Hundley 25/1
Spehen Morris 25/1
Devin Gardner 30/1
Blake Bell 40/1
Jeff Driskel 40/1
Ka'Deem Carey 40/1
Stefon Diggs 40/1
Posted on 8/3/13 at 6:35 pm to AllBamaDoesIsWin
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I don't really know who to pick as my favorite. It's hard to repeat as Heisman winner, so that makes me not want to pick JFF. If Derrick Thomas couldn't win the Heisman with 27 sacks, no defensive player should in it without 30. That makes me want to not pick Clowney. Bridgewater is a good choice, but the competition he plays against could hurt him.
The Bama in me wants to say AJ, and while I think he'll get to New York, I just don't know if he can win it. His only chance would be having a Heisman moment, and throwing for over 3000 yards after the SECCG and having a TD:INT ratio that is similar, or better, to his 10:1 last year. Plus he'd have to be 13-0. That said, I just don't think he'll have the numbers to win the Heisman.
Then you have RBs. DAT is a potential candidate, but will he get enough total touches to put up the numbers needed? Then you have Gurley, who is a serious contender, but I gotta wonder how many carries he'll share with Marshall, plus Murray is going to get to sling it around.
I don't think Yeldon will get it either. I see him having around 235 rushes, plus however many catches, but that won't be enough to get him to New York.
Marqise Lee is an excellent choice, to me. He has the ability to put up insane numbers with a first year QB. So because he's the only one that I can think of who doesn't have any major thing going against him, my favorite for the Heisman is Marqise Lee.
Good post.
Posted on 8/3/13 at 6:35 pm to Max Guru
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Here are Bovada's early Las Vegas odds for the Heisman.
Heisman Trophy Odds from Bovada (as of July 5):
Johnny Manziel 9/2
Braxton Miller 13/2
A.J. McCarron 9/1
T.J. Yeldon 9/1
Aaron Murray 12/1
Teddy Bridgewater 12/1
De'Anthony Thomas 14/1
Duke Johnson 14/1
Jadeveon Clowney 14/1
Marquis Lee 14/1
Macus Mariota 16/1
Tajh Boyd 16/1
Taylor Martinex 18/1
Lache Seastrunk 20/1
Ameer Abdulla 25/1
Brett Hundley 25/1
Spehen Morris 25/1
Devin Gardner 30/1
Blake Bell 40/1
Jeff Driskel 40/1
Ka'Deem Carey 40/1
Stefon Diggs 40/1
Yeldon, Carey, Thomas, Johnson and Seastrunk but no Gurley? List is bullshite.
Posted on 8/3/13 at 6:37 pm to Max Guru
Posted on 8/3/13 at 7:07 pm to AllBamaDoesIsWin
Marquis Lee is the best player in the country regardless of position. USC could also play 14 games because they have Hawaii on the schedule which is huge as far as racking up highlights and stats
This post was edited on 8/3/13 at 7:08 pm
Posted on 8/3/13 at 7:19 pm to finestfirst79
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Let me see if I can get this young person lingo down:
ISWYDT
Did I do that right?
You did, old man. I'm proud of you.
Posted on 8/3/13 at 7:22 pm to VerlanderBEAST
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Marquis Lee is the best player in the country regardless of position.
I think he's the only player that can compare with Manziel. Along with Kenjon Barner, those three are the most electric players in the country.
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