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re: Don’t understand CFB commentators who proclaim the AU-offense is .
Posted on 1/8/14 at 12:14 pm to LittleRockHog501
Posted on 1/8/14 at 12:14 pm to LittleRockHog501
Yep. It's more of a concept than a system. It starts with athleticism all over the offense, the use of misdirection, and playing quickly.
After that there is a lot of variation, which is why I think versions of what Gus and the like are doing will be around indefinitely.
After that there is a lot of variation, which is why I think versions of what Gus and the like are doing will be around indefinitely.
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Posted on 1/8/14 at 12:18 pm to Pettifogger
Yeah, slowing it down is a better way to put it. It's going to get yards and put up points, unless there's just an inept QB running it. Bama slowed it down more than well enough to win, the offense just couldn't get it done.
Posted on 1/8/14 at 12:36 pm to The Spleen
This will also be the first time Gus has ever had a 2 year starter in his system since he moved up from the high school ranks. I'll be very interested to see how the offense evolves next year with a spring and summer with the top 2 QB's.
Posted on 1/8/14 at 12:45 pm to The Spleen
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Having the personnel with discipline to stop it is a different thing though. FSU did
To be fair to us, we left 10 points on the field due to our own miscues. That first long pass of the game is caught and Louis has a very good chance of scoring and the missed FG. That would have put us at 41 points. And even 31 points isn't necessarily stopping an offense. It's an offense that you just have to try to contain and keep from getting yardage on first down and big plays. That's not rocket science or anything, and could be said for basically any offense. You put any offense into a certain passing situation on 3rd and long and that will help your defense out tremendously.
FSU started stopping us from getting gains on early downs in the second half and it hurt the offense. The thing I like about it is it's such a dynamic offense. It can work in such a variety of ways. If Nick Marshall was able to pass better, it would have been virtually unstoppable this year with how well he was running the read option.
When it comes down to it, and Malzahn says this over and over, it's based on a power running game that works off play action out of the shotgun. Misdirection and HUNH are used as an added advantages, but the blocking schemes of the OL are not much different at all than any other power running game out there. The play action is there for taking deep shots, not unlike many other pro style offenses. It's just done out of the shotgun and multiple formations that have several different options out of each. He'd never really used a true FB like we had this year with Prosch, which made it even more of a power game. He usually uses TE's as H Backs, which is what we'll probably go back to next year with Fulse, Uzomah and Parks coming back. It's an incredibly versatile offense.
And it really doesn't matter what kind of offense you run, for the most part, if you have an OL that was as good as ours this year, you're going to have success. Football begins and ends on the lines. If you have a DL that is that good, you're going to be able to disrupt most any offense. And if you have an OL that is that good, they're going to be able to run and pass block effectively enough so that you can make plays and score points.
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Posted on 1/8/14 at 12:51 pm to Hootie
You need to look closer at exactly what he is doing. It is not as simple as it looks for the defense to defend. It throws them out of usual focus/keys individually and causes players to have to think more, and more quickly, which as you can see from the CNN report, is something most of them can't do very well.
Posted on 1/8/14 at 12:56 pm to kage
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To be fair to us, we left 10 points on the field due to our own miscues.
True, but I think in most games a team can say that. Bama left at least 20 points on the field in the Iron Bowl.
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That's not rocket science or anything, and could be said for basically any offense. You put any offense into a certain passing situation on 3rd and long and that will help your defense out tremendously.
True, but what I think sets Auburn's offense apart is their ability to line right back up in the same formation, without substituting, and run any number of plays from that formation. It's how they scored all but maybe one of their TD's in the Iron Bowl.
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And it really doesn't matter what kind of offense you run, for the most part, if you have an OL that was as good as ours this year, you're going to have success
True, and I think FSU was the only team AU played all year that the DL to win their share of battles at the LOS.
Posted on 1/8/14 at 1:05 pm to The Spleen
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True, but what I think sets Auburn's offense apart is their ability to line right back up in the same formation, without substituting, and run any number of plays from that formation.
I agree. The HUNH is a wrinkle that he will add once it gets rolling to make it even harder to defend. He wants to get a first down first. If you keep going three and out running the HUNH, you're putting your defense in a bad spot. He knows how to manipulate it and it also wears that defense down for the 4th quarter.
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I think FSU was the only team AU played all year that the DL to win their share of battles at the LOS.
Absolutely. Jernigan was monster in that game. But you have to have an elite defensive line that can last a whole game to really be effective. He was on the sidelines a good bit of the second half looking like he was about to puke. Our offense did enough to win the game. Our kick return coverage and D just broke down at the end and gave it back to them. That's not to say our D didn't play a great game for the first 3 quarters.
As soon as we start to get better on defense, and I believe we will in the next year or two, I think we're going to be a very hard team to stop.
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Posted on 1/8/14 at 1:32 pm to Hootie
Nobody is going to stop Gus, might as well stop talking about trying.
Posted on 1/8/14 at 1:45 pm to Hootie
This is common knowledge but Auburn's option game depends on what the defensive ends do. If they slant in, the QB keeps the ball and runs to the outside. I think that the best way to try to control Auburn's offense is to take away the option by having your defensive ends play containment on every play. The problem is that they kill you with the inside runs unless you have a dominating interior defensive line. I think a Mount Cody type is Malzahn's kryptonite.
Posted on 1/8/14 at 2:59 pm to Hootie
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Which leads me to my second point: how many championships have these types of offenses produced, at any level?
See college football, year: 2010.
Posted on 1/8/14 at 3:07 pm to Hootie
The whole "defenses will figure it out eventually" position is pretty absurd. Its not "figuring out" an offense that is difficult; it is actually stopping it. We won multiple games this year by essentially running four plays - it was not difficult to figure out. But when it came down, man to man, to stopping it not many could. Bama prides itself on having a traditional, "non-gimmicky" offense, which infers there is no trickeration. Thus, its easy to figure out their offensive scheme - its also just difficult to stop.
Posted on 1/9/14 at 7:39 pm to Hootie
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the basics of AU’s spread don’t appear to me to be much different that the offensives of Oregon (Chip Kelly era), Boise St., TCU (to some degree), Clemson, Utah St. and a host of other lower-tiered schools.
His scheme is different than most other spread offenses.
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What am I missing in this analysis?
That it's not a typical spread attack. What's interesting is it's basically a hurry up wing T offense spread out. The idea is to out flank defenders to the edge.
A really great article on the O is:
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Posted on 1/9/14 at 7:41 pm to The Spleen
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Auburn doesn't run a spread. It's basically an inverted veer, which is a variation of the wing-t.
Bingo.
Posted on 1/9/14 at 7:46 pm to Hootie
We'll see.. His offense knows both ends of the spectrum. His offense had over 4,000 yards rushing this year; while at Tulsa he had QBs with 5,000 and 4,000 yards passing. It's very adaptive. The fact is, HUNH will always give the offense a competitive advantage, granted it is detrimental to the defense at times.
Posted on 1/9/14 at 8:00 pm to AUsteriskPride
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We'll see.. His offense knows both ends of the spectrum. His offense had over 4,000 yards rushing this year; while at Tulsa he had QBs with 5,000 and 4,000 yards passing. It's very adaptive. The fact is, HUNH will always give the offense a competitive advantage, granted it is detrimental to the defense at times.
That's it. Some people may overlook the fact that he adapts his offenses to suit his personnel. I've read that 2009, 2011, and 2013 Auburn all featured different offenses. Furthermore, Auburn didn't have a strong defense any of those years. If Auburn can return to playing elite defense soon, then their offense won't matter as much.
Posted on 1/9/14 at 8:04 pm to joeytiger
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Don’t understand CFB commentators who proclaim the AU-offense is . You are right to some extent. The offense is very good when going against certain defenses. For this reason, Auburn and A&M had success against Bama's defense. The problem with it, is when you have a big D-line that can get penetration and good cover corners to lock down receivers all you have to do is play assignment football and key on your man and it can be stuffed (see Stiff Dew Game this year). Bama usually has the secondary to accomplish this, sans this year. It can be successful and even win championships, but it depends on the opponent's defense.
Based on your "opinion" you'd think Auburn was incapable of moving the football against LSU.
Posted on 1/9/14 at 8:10 pm to Hootie
quote:why does the mad hatter do what he does?
But (most)coaches implement offensive styles to win games and, hopefully, championships, not to entertain.
Posted on 1/9/14 at 8:43 pm to Hootie
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First, the basics of AU’s spread don’t appear to me to be much different that the offensives of Oregon (Chip Kelly era), Boise St., TCU (to some degree), Clemson, Utah St. and a host of other lower-tiered schools.
Except for the HUNH, they are completely different...but keep on.
Posted on 1/9/14 at 9:01 pm to DaBama
How many fricking Terrance Codys walk the Earth?
Posted on 1/9/14 at 9:02 pm to adammwilson
But I am glad there are some people on this board who actually know football.
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