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re: Does Mark Richt = Phil Fulmer?
Posted on 8/18/16 at 10:45 am to SummerOfGeorge
Posted on 8/18/16 at 10:45 am to SummerOfGeorge
Ive always thought Richt was closer to mack brown at texas. Without the final collapse
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Posted on 8/18/16 at 10:49 am to NYCAuburn
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Ive always thought Richt was closer to mack brown at texas. Without the final collapse
The only thing separting richt from fulmer or mack brown is those 2 coaches got their 1 big season with a title and richt didn't. Aside from that (and yeah, it's a big deal, I'm not saying it doesn't count) they're all practically equal.
Posted on 8/18/16 at 11:18 am to WG_Dawg
No I'm saying fulmer didn't play for two national championships, he would have in 2001 but we lost the SEC Championship game and if we would have won the SEC Championship game he probably would have lost the national title game against 2001 Miami..... which is arguably the best college football team ever
Posted on 8/18/16 at 11:48 am to NYCAuburn
You've got it backwards. Fulmer is the one who's very comparable to Mack Brown. In fact, they're practically identical coaches. Both coaches won a NC and were at the top of their sport for most of their career. I know people sometimes act like Brown was just a recruiter. But from 2001-2009 Texas was 102-15. Fulmer similiarly had Tennessee as one of the best programs in the late 90s/early 2000s.
Then Fulmer and Brown both had an epic collapse their last 4 years that got them fired. Rightfully so in both cases.
Richt on the other hand was never really at the top of CFB. He was consistently good but never really great. But he also never had a big collapse like Fulmer and Brown.
Fulmer and Brown had much more variance than Richt did.
Then Fulmer and Brown both had an epic collapse their last 4 years that got them fired. Rightfully so in both cases.
Richt on the other hand was never really at the top of CFB. He was consistently good but never really great. But he also never had a big collapse like Fulmer and Brown.
Fulmer and Brown had much more variance than Richt did.
This post was edited on 8/18/16 at 11:53 am
Posted on 8/18/16 at 11:53 am to UFFan
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from 2001-2009 Texas was 102-15
with 2 B12 titles to show for it (along with the natty of course).
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Fulmer similiarly had Tennessee as one of the best programs in the late 90s/early 2000s.
and only won 2 SEC titles (and the natty of course).
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Richt on the other hand was never really at the top of CFB. He was consistently good but never really great
Neither of the other coaches were "at the top of cfb" either aside from their 1 title winning year. 01-09 (your texas years) UF had more success than they did, hell LSU did too.
In the 90s UF, FSU, Nebraska all had more success than UT.
You can go back and find TONS of articles written after 2005 asking if richt was going to be the next elite national coach. His first 5 years were incredible and people were legit asking if he could go down as an all time great.
The real, one and only knock on richt is he didn't win a title. But to act like mack brown or fulmer were head and shoulders better because of that is simply not true. All 3 coaches are virtually identical, with the only difference being the other 2 had that one special season and richt didn't.
Posted on 8/18/16 at 12:41 pm to WG_Dawg
Mack and Fulmer also played in multiple national titles, each winning only one. Fulmer and Mack led UNDEFEATED teams. That is a big difference compared to Richt.
Mack:
Won National title vs USC in the '06 Rose Bowl
Lost National title to Alabama in the '10 BCS Title
Fulmer:
Lost National title to Nebraska in the '98 Orange Bowl
Won National title vs FSU in the '99 Fiesta Bowl
Richt:
Nothing. He got close a couple times, but so did Tennesse('01) and Texas('08) during other years.
Mack:
Won National title vs USC in the '06 Rose Bowl
Lost National title to Alabama in the '10 BCS Title
Fulmer:
Lost National title to Nebraska in the '98 Orange Bowl
Won National title vs FSU in the '99 Fiesta Bowl
Richt:
Nothing. He got close a couple times, but so did Tennesse('01) and Texas('08) during other years.
This post was edited on 8/18/16 at 12:43 pm
Posted on 8/18/16 at 12:54 pm to blairjs
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Lost National title to Nebraska in the '98 Orange Bowl
Wasn't really the National Championship Game. There is a chance they get a split title, but that Nebraska team split with Michigan because they both went undefeated. Tennessee would have had a loss, so there is a chance Michigan wins both polls.
Posted on 8/18/16 at 1:11 pm to SummerOfGeorge
It would of split title, but they played in the bowl coalition championship game. It wasn't a good game for Peyton.
Posted on 8/18/16 at 1:12 pm to blairjs
Good points
Posted on 8/18/16 at 1:44 pm to blairjs
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title, but they played in the bowl coalition championship game. It wasn't a good game for Peyton.
Wrong. Bcs is when the auto titles started.
This post was edited on 8/18/16 at 3:24 pm
Posted on 8/18/16 at 2:13 pm to blairjs
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It would of split title, but they played in the bowl coalition championship game
The Bowl Alliance didn't obligate polls to vote the winner of that game #1 like the BCS eventually did with the Coaches Poll.
The only prayer Tennessee had at the title was if Wazzu had won the Rose Bowl the day before, which obviously didn't happen.
Posted on 8/18/16 at 3:24 pm to blairjs
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Fulmer led UNDEFEATED teams.
Yep. Fulmer had stoerner. Richt never did.
Posted on 8/18/16 at 3:42 pm to djsdawg
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Yep. Fulmer had stoerner. Richt never did.
Fulmer had Billy Ratliff who exploded off the ball, knocked the centers foot back into Stoerners leading to his stumble and fumble and the subsequent recovery. And then he had Travis Henry who ran the ball down their throats and did what they needed to win.
1 play has a bearing on the effect of the game all the time. You cant just discount them because it doesn't fit your point.
Posted on 8/18/16 at 3:54 pm to VFL1800FPD
The play was fortunate to say the least. Normally, the qb takes a sack in that situation and the clock keeps on ticking.
Posted on 8/18/16 at 3:56 pm to SummerOfGeorge
Fatty Fullmore had Roid Krammit for his SEC Commish.
Richt is not a scumbag like Fullmore.
Richt is not a scumbag like Fullmore.
Posted on 8/18/16 at 3:56 pm to djsdawg
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Normally, the qb takes a sack in that situation and the clock keeps on ticking.
Well that didn't happen, what do you suggest we do about it?
Posted on 8/18/16 at 4:17 pm to VFL1800FPD
Quit acting like it was part of fulmer a master plan.
Posted on 8/18/16 at 4:23 pm to djsdawg
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Quit acting like it was part of fulmer a master plan.
Doing what exactly? Every team needs a little luck to make it to the NC, sorry it never happened under your boy Richt. I know it makes you upset but it'll be okay.
Posted on 8/18/16 at 4:25 pm to VFL1800FPD
That's the point. That kind of play is how fulmer was luckier than richt. Glad you finally caught on.
Posted on 8/18/16 at 4:36 pm to djsdawg
Does Malzahn get any credit for getting to the 2013 NC because of the kick six or the hail mary vs UGA? shite happens. Its part of football.
This post was edited on 8/18/16 at 4:37 pm
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