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Posted on 9/3/14 at 4:38 pm to Jack Daniel
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Ok let me rephrase you arse pumper. Descent not formidable
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Posted on 9/3/14 at 4:38 pm to Jack Daniel
Hell NO.
Johnny Football won the Heisman Trophy as a Freshman. Until kenny Trill wins something other than one game, he doesnt devalue a damn thing.
Johnny Football won the Heisman Trophy as a Freshman. Until kenny Trill wins something other than one game, he doesnt devalue a damn thing.
Posted on 9/3/14 at 4:38 pm to Jack Daniel
In the eyes of some it will but who cares? JFF ain't giving back his Heisman or his NFL checks.
KH was a highly rated championship QB that played in the exact same system in HS though, it really shouldn't be surprising that he is being successful. JFF also had some really nice talent around him but it looks like the folks around KH are just ridiculous. Sumlin is also a great QB developer.
Johnny is still a unique player with his pass/run ability and attitude. Hard to beat for shear entertainment because you never knew what you would see. KH is more like surgeon who methodically goes about his business.
KH was a highly rated championship QB that played in the exact same system in HS though, it really shouldn't be surprising that he is being successful. JFF also had some really nice talent around him but it looks like the folks around KH are just ridiculous. Sumlin is also a great QB developer.
Johnny is still a unique player with his pass/run ability and attitude. Hard to beat for shear entertainment because you never knew what you would see. KH is more like surgeon who methodically goes about his business.
Posted on 9/3/14 at 4:52 pm to Jack Daniel
If JFF has any thought of a defense they would have been a threat to win it all last season. You cannot win games when your defense gets beat that bad week after week. His defense devalued what he did at QB last season. There isnt enough on K Hill to make any real call as to how good hes going to be. We'll find out how good that USC defense really is when they play UGA.
Posted on 9/3/14 at 4:58 pm to aggressor
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Johnny is still a unique player with his pass/run ability and attitude. Hard to beat for shear entertainment because you never knew what you would see. KH is more like surgeon who methodically goes about his business.
Johnny = Manu Ginobili in his prime
Kenny = Tim Duncan
Posted on 9/3/14 at 5:00 pm to skrangeo
I see how he got to 8. We were "too scared" to play Texas each year, which in his mind is two more losses.
Posted on 9/3/14 at 5:05 pm to TbirdSpur2010
+1
Posted on 9/3/14 at 5:07 pm to Jack Daniel
He's had 1 game
Posted on 9/3/14 at 5:49 pm to Jack Daniel
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Does this possibly mean Manziel's success is credited more to the system and Sumlin
I don't think there is any question. Accolades have been completely shifted from Manziel to Sumlin. I am not even going to call Manziel by his silly nick name anymore.
Posted on 9/3/14 at 5:50 pm to Jack Daniel
Kenny hill is the next sam Bradford.
Posted on 9/3/14 at 6:01 pm to LSU GrandDad
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Kenny hill is the next sam Bradford.
Maybe...
We are just glad he isn't the next Anthony Jennings.
Posted on 9/3/14 at 6:07 pm to LSU GrandDad
Didn't Bradford win a Heisman? 
Posted on 9/3/14 at 6:18 pm to Tridentds
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We are just glad he isn't the next Anthony Jennings
You better be, because y'all sure as hell don't have a defense like LSU to make up for it.
Posted on 9/3/14 at 6:25 pm to TbirdSpur2010
Yeah, as an outsider (LSU fan) I think it does.
No matter how chaotic a Manziel highlight film might be, you could always point to his production. He put up a lot of numbers on SEC competition (LSU excluded), and that gave the impression that A&M rode Manziel to victories and potent offensive stats. I think that got him drafted as high as he was.
Now, a small sample of post-Manziel has appeared, and you get the opposite impression- Manziel rode A&M (specifically Sumlin's system).
I think an announcer for the game brought up this question, when he asked if Cleveland might be rethinking drafting Manziel (was late in the 1st half).
No matter how chaotic a Manziel highlight film might be, you could always point to his production. He put up a lot of numbers on SEC competition (LSU excluded), and that gave the impression that A&M rode Manziel to victories and potent offensive stats. I think that got him drafted as high as he was.
Now, a small sample of post-Manziel has appeared, and you get the opposite impression- Manziel rode A&M (specifically Sumlin's system).
I think an announcer for the game brought up this question, when he asked if Cleveland might be rethinking drafting Manziel (was late in the 1st half).
Posted on 9/3/14 at 6:29 pm to Jack Daniel
Absolutely.
Posted on 9/3/14 at 6:30 pm to Jack Daniel
Sumlin is the God of offense
Posted on 9/3/14 at 6:41 pm to Jack Daniel
Admittedly, I am no expert, but this seems like a a silly question.
Talent can be developed, but not created. Also as someone stated earlier, aTm losses were not due to offensive break downs. If a QB is not great, the system will not be great. No matter how great a QB is, they can't win games alone.
Talent can be developed, but not created. Also as someone stated earlier, aTm losses were not due to offensive break downs. If a QB is not great, the system will not be great. No matter how great a QB is, they can't win games alone.
Posted on 9/3/14 at 6:51 pm to Bogie00
It's the system. And, to say JFF wasn't running Sumlin's system while playing for Sumlin is foolish to say.
Posted on 9/3/14 at 6:58 pm to Shaft Williams
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to say JFF wasn't running Sumlin's system while playing for Sumlin is foolish to say.
Are you serious? Pretty obvious that JFF ad-libbed a LOT. Hell, many of his trademark highlight reels came on broken plays or not going fully through his progressions.
Not a foolish thing to say at all that JFF didn't really run Sumlin's offense the way it was designed.
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