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re: Do the troubles at ESPN bother anyone else?
Posted on 4/11/17 at 11:14 am to Cheese Grits
Posted on 4/11/17 at 11:14 am to Cheese Grits
I assume in your model we are back to no TV for LSU vs McNeese St? The ad dollars there simply wouldn't pay for the production I don't think.
Unless you think you can make it up on big games...which may be the case.
The other issue is delivery. How will you deliver it to the masses? If you answer with anything other than OTA then you will have to charge more than 1-2 dollars per month.
Unless you think you can make it up on big games...which may be the case.
The other issue is delivery. How will you deliver it to the masses? If you answer with anything other than OTA then you will have to charge more than 1-2 dollars per month.
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Posted on 4/11/17 at 11:17 am to Cheese Grits
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For every one of you there is a person like me who will watch the other teams
I'm sure there is. I'll be the first to tell you that my opinion on this isn't fact based whatsoever.
Posted on 4/11/17 at 11:19 am to DarthRebel
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another company would take over college sports
While money could be larger in the future because of inflation the college scene will probably never have more value than right now. ESPN inflates the payments because they were far and away the biggest beneficiary of how tv package deals worked. That is going away now with a la carte programming and will likely never return.
Undoubtedly a company will rise up without the political nature in time, but it will have no noticeable effect on money for the universities.
Posted on 4/11/17 at 11:23 am to LSU316
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I assume in your model we are back to no TV for LSU vs McNeese St? The ad dollars there simply wouldn't pay for the production I don't think.
If the production costs are too high to air this game on WatchESPN or something similar, then you scale them back until it becomes profitable. If they can air softball and lacrosse, they can figure out a way to air college football. I doubt we will ever go back to a time where you cannot watch a game on TV or online.
Posted on 4/11/17 at 11:24 am to Vecchio Cane
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Should SEC schools be overly concerned about the forecasts that say ESPN is going belly up? That sweet, sweet SEC Network money is gonna dry up and a lot of us have become addicted to it
Put a better product on the field and the money won't dry up. No one cares about Miss State going 5-7, and no one will watch that crap.
Posted on 4/11/17 at 11:27 am to Allyn McKeen
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If they can air softball and lacrosse
In my mind, in that model, anything that isn't big time football or big time basketball is done as far as broadcasting goes. I suppose regional providers could pick up some slack but again I ask where does the money come from?
Posted on 4/11/17 at 11:27 am to LSU316
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The likelihood of this happening in my eyes is relatively low.
While I tend to agree in the short window, I tend to think otherwise in the long view.
100 years ago boxing and horse racing ruled the sports world. Eventually they appealed to higher and higher dollar fans and failed to indoctrinate the next generation of low dollar fans. Those low dollar fans found low dollar sports like football and basketball to take their family to and boxing and horse racing never recovered.
A boxing match 50 years ago was affordable enough to have local demand at local venues. Madison Square Garden seats what 18,000 compared to the 1,000 seats at the MGM Grand. Getting a seat for you and your kid for say 5 to 10 bucks for the live event is much more affordable than the 10 grand or more it cost to see Mayweather vs Pacquiao. A smart promoter in the long term knows that the masses create more viewer demand so they must grow the next generation of live events affordable to the masses.
If they fail, some other sport will become the sport of the next generation as the sports of today fail (do to high cost of entry) to attract that generation. Baby Boomers are propping up most big time pro and college sports because they have the youthful memories and the wallets to pay. This will end sooner and quicker than may think and the next generation will decide with their wallets what to support.
White kids (especially european white kids of Irish, Polish, and Italian heritage) are not playing football like they used to. Many of these 2nd and 3rd generation kids are playing lacrosse so in 20 years they may be the basketball replacement the basketball was to boxing.
The only thing certain is that all things have a life cycle and change will end that cycle at some point in the future.
Posted on 4/11/17 at 11:31 am to Cheese Grits
It feels like we are talking about something completely different here altogether 
Pretty much everything you said there is spot on. Although I almost think you might substitute soccer in for lacrosse in your homily
Pretty much everything you said there is spot on. Although I almost think you might substitute soccer in for lacrosse in your homily
Posted on 4/11/17 at 11:33 am to Cheese Grits
when your favorite channel is The Weather Channel, well...
If in the future when SEC owns its TV rights why couldn't they sell their content to Direct, Dish, time warner or other carriers?
If the package now cost $10.00 a month on espn and we realize $1.00 then SEC Net would be able to Get $2.00. That would be a big increase in income.
SEC has proven it self and the market is there.
If in the future when SEC owns its TV rights why couldn't they sell their content to Direct, Dish, time warner or other carriers?
If the package now cost $10.00 a month on espn and we realize $1.00 then SEC Net would be able to Get $2.00. That would be a big increase in income.
SEC has proven it self and the market is there.
Posted on 4/11/17 at 11:35 am to Vecchio Cane
I agree with the posters who say that ESPN should eschew political activism. If there's one arena that should be completely free from politics and religion, it's sports. I think we turn on sports programs to get away from all that.
Posted on 4/11/17 at 11:38 am to Vecchio Cane
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Do the troubles at ESPN bother anyone else?
Holy shite is it stupid post day on the entire rant?
Posted on 4/11/17 at 11:40 am to Vecchio Cane
Yes, ESPN going belly up would be bad for CFB. I hate what they've become, but they were so instrumental in the popularity that CFB now enjoys. It's arguably the second biggest sport in the country, ESPN is a huge reason for that.
Posted on 4/11/17 at 11:40 am to LSU316
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If you answer with anything other than OTA then you will have to charge more than 1-2 dollars per month.
BBC News is the biggest channel in the world an I would be surprised if it cost you cable provider more than 50 cents.
We are TV junkies so my guess is cost to produce are grossly inflated so profits are even more inflated. Just look at your college donor funds in how not to run a business. If LSU gets 5 million more a year they find 5 million more to spend, and much of that is pork level spending. Does an AD really need to be paid 1 million a years when 250K would probably work as well? Do we need to spend 50 million on a baseball stadium when just 2 years ago the same stadium was budgeted at 25 million? Do we need to pay secretary type work (35 to 55 K job) 100K to 150K just because they work in the AD office?
What young folks seem to fail to do in the modern age is actually figure out what something should cost over time instead of everybody wanting a million dollars in a single year. Say we viewed this as building a house.
In the 1970's
Construction = 95K
Contractor profit = 5K
In the 2000's
Construction = 150K
Contractor profit = 250K
Posted on 4/11/17 at 11:44 am to LSU316
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I almost think you might substitute soccer in for lacrosse in your homily
That is what I thought in the 90's but seem lacrosse has become the substitute more than soccer for the under 30's set. When I notice the college lacrosse money for scholarships it seems soccer will be there, but lacrosse is viewed as cooler and still somewhat american.
Posted on 4/11/17 at 11:45 am to DarthRebel
Completely agree. They can bow out and the free market will respond.
Bob Ley can suck a fat one.
Bob Ley can suck a fat one.
This post was edited on 4/11/17 at 12:27 pm
Posted on 4/11/17 at 11:46 am to RLDSC FAN
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ESPN going belly up would be bad for CFB
You are missing the point if you see only this.
ESPN is owned by Disney, as is ABC!
Do you see Disney going belly up? I sure do not.
Posted on 4/11/17 at 11:54 am to Vecchio Cane
ESPN has turned into crap.
Posted on 4/11/17 at 12:14 pm to Vecchio Cane
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SEC Network money is gonna dry up and a lot of us have become addicted
It was a highly watched network when it first came about. I don't watch anything on it unless there is a football game or game replays.
I honestly forget I have it.
Posted on 4/11/17 at 12:19 pm to Cheese Grits
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Do you see Disney going belly up? I sure do not.
Never said anything about Disney. They'll most likely sell off ESPN in the future. JMHO.
Posted on 4/11/17 at 12:19 pm to bbeck
If the SECN focused more on quality analysis / commentators, I'd watch it more.
I get the bias for them to hire former SEC players and promote them etc, but a lot of these guys are really subpar and don't provide any positive value
I get the bias for them to hire former SEC players and promote them etc, but a lot of these guys are really subpar and don't provide any positive value
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