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re: Disappointing recruits of the last 3 years or so....
Posted on 7/23/15 at 11:18 am to Funky Tide 8
Posted on 7/23/15 at 11:18 am to Funky Tide 8
Ladies and gentlemen, I present to you: Exhibit A. Exactly what I said they do. 
On a related note, Funky, I don't know that I've seen you around recently. Were you taking a sabbatical?
On a related note, Funky, I don't know that I've seen you around recently. Were you taking a sabbatical?
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Posted on 7/23/15 at 11:20 am to Vols&Shaft83
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Ratphuc Hobley
This is the year he finally makes it to campus!
The first and only composite 6* player in the history of recruiting.
LSU staaaaaked. SEC fukkkkkked.
Posted on 7/23/15 at 11:21 am to Moustache
Quay Evans
Posted on 7/23/15 at 11:22 am to ReauxlTide222
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ReauxlTide222
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What? YES. Over the last 5 years, we're averaging more than 1 freshman RB going over 1000 yards. It's not very meaningful like y'all are implying. More common in the future? It's happening now and has for the past 5 years...
I'm not implying. I'm out-and-out stating that its meaningful. You need it to not be in order to fit an opinion you've made up that isn't backed up by his performance, which is fantastic on the field that impact the game for LSU in multiple ways.
You are using the past and statistics now to support your own point about something that should happen in the future. Now this is where you're really starting to get confused.
You're telling us that we can't use the fact that less than 15 kids have done this in the past. But when I point out that you using the future to support a shot at LSU Fans using past performances, you turn back to the past and use stats about Freshman 1,000 yard rushers over the past 5 years.
So when LSU Fans use it you laugh at them and roll your eyes about using stats. But when you use stats to prop up your own opinion-which you're actively trying to stay narrowed down to not include certain on the field impact from the kid-it's okay?
What's good for the goose is not good for the gander, evidently. Only you can make the call when stats are applicable in a discussion I see? Sounds pretty objective and unbiased.
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I honestly believe that I'm being objective while you are not.
So we can't look at his play on Special Teams-which are superlative. We can't look at past performance in comparison to others around him.
The reason we can't is because-essentially-you say so. But you're being objective.
Gotcha marked down.
Posted on 7/23/15 at 11:30 am to GFunk
quote:What? I can barely follow what you're trying to say here. 1000 yards isn't what it used to be. It's happening more than once every single year now and will continue to happen. It's a fact that you're using the 1000 yards as to why LF is living up to the hype. It's a fact that 1000 yards doesn't come close to living up to his hype. It's a fact that 1000 yards is no longer as special as you're making it out to be. It happens damn near every....single...year. I have no idea what you're trying to say.
You're telling us that we can't use the fact that less than 15 kids have done this in the past. But when I point out that you using the future to support a shot at LSU Fans using past performances, you turn back to the past and use stats about Freshman 1,000 yard rushers over the past 5 years.
Posted on 7/23/15 at 11:52 am to therick711
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Ladies and gentlemen, I present to you: Exhibit A. Exactly what I said they do.
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On a related note, Funky, I don't know that I've seen you around recently. Were you taking a sabbatical?
I just really haven't been posting on here as much because most of the discussions are quibbles like I just walked into
I post here and there, though. The offseason is kind of a drag sometimes, ya know? 
Posted on 7/23/15 at 11:56 am to Funky Tide 8
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I just really haven't been posting on here as much because most of the discussions are quibbles like I just walked into I post here and there, though. The offseason is kind of a drag sometimes, ya know?
Agreed. It will be over soon enough.
Posted on 7/23/15 at 12:11 pm to Moustache
Golden and Claiborne. Could've been beasts making millions in the NFL eventually, but they pissed it all away.
Posted on 7/23/15 at 1:04 pm to ReauxlTide222
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ReauxlTide222
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What? I can barely follow what you're trying to say here.
I'm actually restating your own objections. So if you're confused, then congratulations. You've caught up with the rest of us who are trying to make sense of your positions in this thread.
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1000 yards isn't what it used to be.
I agree.
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It's happening more than once every single year now and will continue to happen.
I agree. On both counts. Did anyone here say that wouldn't occur? Once again you're leaving out context in order to try to win the argument as opposed to be objective.
We're talking about Freshman rushing for 1,000 yards. Not just anyone rushing for 1,000 yards.
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It's a fact that you're using the 1000 yards as to why LF is living up to the hype.
Once again, you're leaving out the context that you're actually trying to argue about me not being able to use in the first place. He was a great receiver in the limited attempts where we went to him. He also held onto the football very well. But most importantly, he was the 4th leading KOR in the SEC and put us in great field position to start drives where he then impacted the game in a big way for us offensively.
So no, it's more than just 1,000 yards rushing. But you're saying its fact that's what I'm using. When half of our disagreement is that you want to limit the discussion strictly to his rushing statistics, which I've been against, along with any rational, objective person.
How does this work? You're saying that I'm only using rushing stats (and the 1,000 barrier) to prop him up after saying that I shouldn't be able to use any other stats to prop him up?
Dude you are all over the road in this thread.
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It's a fact that 1000 yards doesn't come close to living up to his hype.
While neither of us ever stated this as some magical Mendoza line of sorts to delineate between coming close to living up to the hype, I never said that it did.
Which is why I went on to mention his kickoff returns, and touched on his pass-catching and his ball security, and the fact that he did this with zero help from the passing game and two seniors who were productive ahead of him on the depth chart.
Which you went on to try to minimize or negate. How in the world can you selectively forget what you're actually arguing with me about in order to try and reframe my own disagreement? You talk about being confused, but I am actually questioning your mental faculties based on how you're all over the place here.
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It's a fact that 1000 yards is no longer as special as you're making it out to be. It happens damn near every....single...year.
I do think its a mark that measures a good season. But I'm not talking about in a vacuum. You're the one who only wants to talk about his rushing statistics. I've been talking about his impact on the game in multiple areas, both special teams and on offense, and also talking about how difficult it was for him to excel considering what he went up against on offense.
How in the heck-after several pages of us discussing his special teams numbers and how you don't like considering them-can you say that I'm only talking up his rushing stats? Seriously, do you have any clue how bad your posts in this thread make you look? It's almost like you're owning yourself here.
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I have no idea what you're trying to say.
I'm actually trying to point out how you keep contradicting yourself. Repeatedly. Over and over. Because you'd rather have your opinion be right than have your opinion be dictated by reality.
So if you have no idea, then look yourself in the mirror. Re-read what you've posted. You're busy confusing yourself, brochacho. The rest of us here are just amusing ourselves or scratching our heads waiting for you to tap out and save yourself some embarrassment.
After looking back over the last few pages, this is my impersonation of what you're doing to yourself:
This post was edited on 7/23/15 at 1:07 pm
Posted on 7/23/15 at 3:06 pm to GFunk
What in the actual frick? We're talking about freshman, not just any player going for 1000? Dude 7 freshman have gone for 1000 in the last 5 seasons. What are you talking about? How am I all over the place? You're trying to use return yards like they mean something. Put your 4th string RB back there and he's within 3 yards of whatever LF had. 11 of the 14 teams averaged over 20 yards per return. What was LF? Like 23? It means nothing. Absolutely nothing. Ok so now he was a good pass catcher, which I'm sure he is. But if I go look at the numbers are they going to be eye popping?
Your explanation of my argument is fricking ridiculous. And your argument is ridiculous. How the hell am I contradicting myself? I feel like you're trolling me.
Your explanation of my argument is fricking ridiculous. And your argument is ridiculous. How the hell am I contradicting myself? I feel like you're trolling me.
This post was edited on 7/23/15 at 3:08 pm
Posted on 7/23/15 at 3:21 pm to GFunk
quote:Just off the top of my head, Gurley, Chubb, Collins, Lattimore, Dyer, & Yeldon all rushed for over a 1,000 yards as FR.
Once again you're leaving out context in order to try to win the argument as opposed to be objective.
We're talking about Freshman rushing for 1,000 yards. Not just anyone rushing for 1,000 yards.
Posted on 7/23/15 at 3:23 pm to Moustache
Dontavius Blair - 4 star JUCO OT who got beat out by a walk on with a torn acl
Posted on 7/23/15 at 3:34 pm to GFunk
Even if you don't agree with me, there's no way in hell to claim my argument is all over the place or contradicting itself. I've thoroughly explained the 1000 yards thing and given data on why I don't think his return yards mean anything.
Chubb had a season that would have lived up to LF hype. 61 yards from leading the SEC in rushing and started the year what, 3rd string?
Chubb had a season that would have lived up to LF hype. 61 yards from leading the SEC in rushing and started the year what, 3rd string?
Posted on 7/23/15 at 3:54 pm to therick711
quote:When the ball was intercepted, Murray became a defender, moving to intercept the player with the ball. Dial tackled Murray to keep him from tackling the player with the ball.
Dial made a play on a Murray who was trying to make a play
Posted on 7/23/15 at 4:28 pm to NFLSU
4net hasn't lived up to the hype IMO
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This post was edited on 7/23/15 at 4:29 pm
Posted on 7/23/15 at 4:31 pm to Moustache
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3. Tennessee Vol Baseball team
Order is up for debate.
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Order is up for debate.
Posted on 7/23/15 at 4:34 pm to GeauxPack81
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His HS film was unreal. I don't know if I have ever been more confident in my analysis of a HS QB when I said that he would be an NFL starter one day..... Holy lord I was off. Still to this day I am not 100% convinced he couldn't have been really good in the right system.
He played in a system that just destroyed for high school. His school he went to did that every year. Kind of like Mitch Mustain when Gus was his head coach in high school. Above average athlete who had a good HC running an offense for him and telling him what to do with the ball before the snap.
Posted on 7/23/15 at 6:13 pm to ReauxlTide222
And Funk disappears when he realizes he is an idiot.
Posted on 7/23/15 at 6:46 pm to Tigers of War
I thought he was going to be good in that offense too.
It will be interesting to see what Taylor and Robinson can both do in this new offense with a HC that actually knows what a offense is.
It will be interesting to see what Taylor and Robinson can both do in this new offense with a HC that actually knows what a offense is.
Posted on 7/23/15 at 6:50 pm to Moustache
To get back on track, UK has had a couple, but not really for football reasons:
4* QB Drew Barker - Not disappointing for on-the-field reasons, because he redshirted last season behind Pat Towles. However, he was the face of the 2014 recruiting class and then was charged with running around shooting airsoft guns at three other players and then involved in a bar fight in Richmond just a few months later. He still has plenty of time to turn it around, but is probably walking on eggshells right now.
3* RB Khalid Thomas - A pretty exciting Florida RB/WR prospect who (along with his brother, LB Pancho Thomas) was caught smoking weed and eating mushrooms at the Arboretum by Lexington cops. Both of them were dismissed from the team. Thomas never ever made it to fall camp, but was dismissed in July '13, just a few days after arriving.
3* RB Justin Taylor - Was offered a greyshirt at Alabama, which was the Kentucky standard of greatness under Joker Phillips. He was awful every time I saw him in open practices. No idea what happened to him, he was a pretty highly regarded recruit but his balance was awful and he was always tripping over his own feet. He ended up transferring to South Carolina State where he rushed for 937 yards and 10 TDs in the last two seasons combined.
Those are the only guys I can think of from the last three recruiting classes that have seen the field.
4* QB Drew Barker - Not disappointing for on-the-field reasons, because he redshirted last season behind Pat Towles. However, he was the face of the 2014 recruiting class and then was charged with running around shooting airsoft guns at three other players and then involved in a bar fight in Richmond just a few months later. He still has plenty of time to turn it around, but is probably walking on eggshells right now.
3* RB Khalid Thomas - A pretty exciting Florida RB/WR prospect who (along with his brother, LB Pancho Thomas) was caught smoking weed and eating mushrooms at the Arboretum by Lexington cops. Both of them were dismissed from the team. Thomas never ever made it to fall camp, but was dismissed in July '13, just a few days after arriving.
3* RB Justin Taylor - Was offered a greyshirt at Alabama, which was the Kentucky standard of greatness under Joker Phillips. He was awful every time I saw him in open practices. No idea what happened to him, he was a pretty highly regarded recruit but his balance was awful and he was always tripping over his own feet. He ended up transferring to South Carolina State where he rushed for 937 yards and 10 TDs in the last two seasons combined.
Those are the only guys I can think of from the last three recruiting classes that have seen the field.
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