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re: Did playoffs get it right?
Posted on 1/13/16 at 12:31 pm to higgs_boson
Posted on 1/13/16 at 12:31 pm to higgs_boson
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One thing I prefer in the NFL is that the teams can lose a few and still make the playoffs.
And that is what makes College Football so great. The regular season is awesome. There is nothing else like it in sports. Nothing better than a Saturday where a bunch of upsets go down. Expanding the playoffs will eliminate a lot of that and take away a fundamental value of the game. We don't need to become College Basketball where the regular season is nothing but seeding for the tournament and a lot of good regular season games are forgotten once March rolls around.
Posted on 1/13/16 at 12:32 pm to BamaScoop
Pretty much they got it right. Perfection is hard to achieve versus hindsight though.
I think Stanford's destruction of Iowa in the Rose Bowl and MSU's Cotton Bowl performance certainly give reason to believe that a 2 loss Stanford was better than what then Big10 had to offer this season.
Iowa playing well against a weak schedule really fouled up Standford though, as the MSU victory over Iowa propelled them all the way to #3. If Iowa was a 3 loss team (Ohio St, Michigan, MSU) MSU isn't propelled like that, and we have a lively discussion of Ohio St vs. Pac10 Champ Stanford.
The lesson learn from this year's playoff and elite bowl season - regular season opponent quality MATTERS.
I think Stanford's destruction of Iowa in the Rose Bowl and MSU's Cotton Bowl performance certainly give reason to believe that a 2 loss Stanford was better than what then Big10 had to offer this season.
Iowa playing well against a weak schedule really fouled up Standford though, as the MSU victory over Iowa propelled them all the way to #3. If Iowa was a 3 loss team (Ohio St, Michigan, MSU) MSU isn't propelled like that, and we have a lively discussion of Ohio St vs. Pac10 Champ Stanford.
The lesson learn from this year's playoff and elite bowl season - regular season opponent quality MATTERS.
Posted on 1/13/16 at 12:33 pm to llfshoals
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Honestly you should be happy Oklahoma got the brunt of that skulldragging. Gives you the option to say "if only..."
bullshite, I would have been more happy our team getting the chance to play for the NC whether we won or got our arse kicked.
Posted on 1/13/16 at 12:34 pm to Blawdawg
That Iowa schedule was ridiculous.
They definitely were propped up.
They definitely were propped up.
Posted on 1/13/16 at 12:39 pm to llfshoals
I'm going to have to agree with Saban in that he can see the inevitable expansion of the playoff system, and how do you work that within the bowls?
There's too many bowl games, of that I think we can all agree.
I'd like to see the Playoff system go to 6 games, if you do that, you can still work within the bowl game framework.
1 and 2 seeds get a bye. 3 plays 6 at home, 4 plays 5 at home 2 weeks after the season ends.
Tell the Rose Bowl they can either be part of the solution or bypassed by it. Pick one since they're the hangup in this. Play the semis on new years day.
Championship game TBD after by locale and date.
This gives the power 5 the option to earn their way in, all of them. Gives another team who may be deserving a chance to get in also. Oh and tell Notre Dame to pick a conference or else.
Gives the two teams at the top who look like the best teams a reward for a very successful regular season.
There's too many bowl games, of that I think we can all agree.
I'd like to see the Playoff system go to 6 games, if you do that, you can still work within the bowl game framework.
1 and 2 seeds get a bye. 3 plays 6 at home, 4 plays 5 at home 2 weeks after the season ends.
Tell the Rose Bowl they can either be part of the solution or bypassed by it. Pick one since they're the hangup in this. Play the semis on new years day.
Championship game TBD after by locale and date.
This gives the power 5 the option to earn their way in, all of them. Gives another team who may be deserving a chance to get in also. Oh and tell Notre Dame to pick a conference or else.
Gives the two teams at the top who look like the best teams a reward for a very successful regular season.
Posted on 1/13/16 at 12:39 pm to higgs_boson
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That Iowa schedule was ridiculous.
They definitely were propped up.
Just like OSU's schedule. The only team in that conference with a decent schedule was MSU which is why they got in and deserved to be in. Nobody knew at the time what Alabama would do to them (and might have done to Stanford or OSU) in the semifinal.
Posted on 1/13/16 at 12:45 pm to llfshoals
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1 and 2 seeds get a bye. 3 plays 6 at home, 4 plays 5 at home 2 weeks after the season ends.
My fear with that is that there's such an advantage to getting that bye and there are many years where its just not a clear cut difference between #2 and #3 to warrant that kind of advantage.
If we're going to declare the #1 & #2 teams are worthy of that advantage by giving them that kind of favorable setup, then we should just save everybody's time and return to the BCS format.
This post was edited on 1/13/16 at 12:51 pm
Posted on 1/13/16 at 12:54 pm to tider04
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You cannot make a case that Stanford or OSU should have been in
Sure I can. Ohio State, no and I wouldn't care to. Stanford is an easy case to make.
Posted on 1/13/16 at 12:55 pm to tider04
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Nobody knew at the time what Alabama would do to them (and might have done to Stanford or OSU) in the semifinal.
Good to see you people are back to form.
Posted on 1/13/16 at 12:58 pm to DisplacedBuckeye
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Sure I can. Ohio State, no and I wouldn't care to. Stanford is an easy case to make.
False. Stanford had two losses, one of them was a bad loss to freakin' Northwestern. MSU had one loss and beat the same Oregon team that Stanford lost too. Easy choice for the committee.
Posted on 1/13/16 at 1:03 pm to tider04
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False. Stanford had two losses, one of them was a bad loss to freakin' Northwestern. MSU had one loss and beat the same Oregon team that Stanford lost too. Easy choice for the committee.
It's a good thing they do the playoff rankings before bowl games are played. Northwestern and Oregon combined were better losses than Texas or Nebraska. They easily should have been in over Oklahoma.
Posted on 1/13/16 at 1:13 pm to genro
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MSU dominated OSU. The game should not have been that close.
let's not rewrite history. MSU did not do much themselves. OSU never trailed. It was one of those games where a team that played somewhat badly beat a team that played pathetic. The MSU defense dominated..the rest of the game not so much.
OSU did not deserve to play in the CFP..but put it all in perspective..Michigan punts the ball successfully with less than 10 seconds in the game and OSU is in...Ole Piss plays a better backyard game of smear-the-queer on 4th and forever..and Bama doesn't. 2 once in a million plays...and the whole playoff is different.
This post was edited on 1/13/16 at 1:15 pm
Posted on 1/13/16 at 1:13 pm to DisplacedBuckeye
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It's a good thing they do the playoff rankings before bowl games are played. Northwestern and Oregon combined were better losses than Texas or Nebraska. They easily should have been in over Oklahoma.
You're saying that with the benefit of retrospect. The committee doesn't have that luxury, they made the obvious and correct call. Even the Stanford coaches and fans were't complaining because they knew. And no, two losses are never better than one when it comes to playoff chances.
Posted on 1/13/16 at 1:20 pm to tider04
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You're saying that with the benefit of retrospect.
Funny, that's exactly what it looked like you were doing by discounting losses to top 15 teams.
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Even the Stanford coaches and fans were't complaining because they knew.
That's not why they weren't complaining. They just aren't as trashy as TCU and Baylor fans.
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And no, two losses are never better than one when it comes to playoff chances.
Only in the SEC run BcS, right?
Posted on 1/13/16 at 1:25 pm to DisplacedBuckeye
this shite will be argued after every playoff.
last year it was TCU that supposedly got screwed after they beat the hell out of Ole Miss
last year it was TCU that supposedly got screwed after they beat the hell out of Ole Miss
Posted on 1/13/16 at 1:27 pm to DisplacedBuckeye
The MSU miracle win was mentioned above and how that one play effected OSU and the playoffs. That would have taken a little shine of the OSU record though. Not sure how the committee would have dealt with Stanford v OK v OSU
Posted on 1/13/16 at 1:44 pm to DisplacedBuckeye
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It's a good thing they do the playoff rankings before bowl games are played.
I just don't put a lot of stock in non-playoff bowl games. Teams approach those games with different mindsets than they do regular season games. Its just tough to use a meaningless bowl game to justify whether a team should've been in the playoff. That's just my opinion though.
At the end of the day though, the 4 team playoff assures that a team can't backdoor their way into a championship. Whoever emerges is a worthy champion.
This post was edited on 1/13/16 at 1:49 pm
Posted on 1/13/16 at 2:18 pm to BamaScoop
No, Alabama lost to a team that lost to a team that lost to Toledo
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