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re: Did joining the SEC really help A&M as much as people say?
Posted on 2/11/13 at 5:49 pm to thefloydian
Posted on 2/11/13 at 5:49 pm to thefloydian
As far as actual on the field performance it doesn't do much. I was of the opinion that we would not have gone undefeated in the B12 until we destroyed OU. I'd trade being in the SEC for one national title every day of the week.
Going forward it means a whole lot. A&M was built largely on competing against the horns and not focusing on ourselves. The SEC gives us that and a clear separation from us and every other school in this state. Recruiting will never be the same.
Going forward it means a whole lot. A&M was built largely on competing against the horns and not focusing on ourselves. The SEC gives us that and a clear separation from us and every other school in this state. Recruiting will never be the same.
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Posted on 2/11/13 at 5:49 pm to townestoldme2
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There's nothing to explain...
Sherman's chokejobs should have probably been enough. I don't know much about the politics of Aggie Sports, but it seems like going into the big powerful SEC with a new, at that point, unproven coach, wouldn't be the optimal situation.
Posted on 2/11/13 at 5:49 pm to thefloydian
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Explain, please.
It's very simple: Sherman was never on board with the move to the SEC (was publicly against it). Without the move, his true colors may not have shown.
Posted on 2/11/13 at 5:51 pm to Mizzeaux
Yeah, I don't see what the SEC had to do with Sherman being fired. Seems like he should have been gone either way.
But I'm no Aggie expert.
But I'm no Aggie expert.
This post was edited on 2/11/13 at 5:51 pm
Posted on 2/11/13 at 5:52 pm to townestoldme2
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Explain, please.quote:
There's nothing to explain...
I thought it was a legitimate question. Sherman was an excellent recruiter but he wasn't a very good college coach. If we had stayed in the Big 12 then maybe he get's another year and doesn't say ridiculous things like (paraphrasing) "If not for a play or two in those 5 losses we'd be 11-1." Going to the SEC the school had no choice.
Posted on 2/11/13 at 5:52 pm to CGSC Lobotomy
Well, it certainly did their self esteem some good (as evidenced by their posts) when they finally got to quit being the University of Texas's bitch.
Posted on 2/11/13 at 5:54 pm to thefloydian
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Explain, please.
There were rumors (truthful or not) that Sherman wasn't 100% on board with an SEC move. And as well as A&M finished in 2010, his repeated failures to live up to elevated expectations in 2011 put him back on the hotseat VERY quickly. Throw in the fact that his teams' inabilities to hold big leads and the writing was really on the wall midway through the season. And as I've already mentioned, as pensive as some were about running a spread offense in the SEC, we already knew damn well that Sherman's pro style as it was being run under his tenure would get eaten alive week in and week out in the SEC.
Losing to our arch rival texas in such a disgraceful manner on our home field in our last big12 game was the final straw, but he was probably gone before that.
Posted on 2/11/13 at 5:54 pm to finestfirst79
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I thought it was a legitimate question. Sherman was an excellent recruiter but he wasn't a very good college coach. If we had stayed in the Big 12 then maybe he get's another year and doesn't say ridiculous things like (paraphrasing) "If not for a play or two in those 5 losses we'd be 11-1." Going to the SEC the school had no choice.
I see. I remember not being surprised when Sherman was canned. I didn't realize there was a chance he would be brought back.
Posted on 2/11/13 at 5:55 pm to WonderWartHawg
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Well, it certainly did their self esteem some good
I resent that! We've always had plenty of self-esteem. Hardly ever justified but that's a separate issue.
Posted on 2/11/13 at 5:58 pm to finestfirst79
It was great to kick ou's arse in the Cotton Bowl.
Had we not have played the SEC schedule, we would have been soft, like ou.
It really does matter who you play during the year.
Had we not have played the SEC schedule, we would have been soft, like ou.
It really does matter who you play during the year.
Posted on 2/11/13 at 5:59 pm to finestfirst79
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We've always had plenty of self-esteem. Hardly ever justified but that's a separate issue.
This. Aggies have always had a TON of pride in our school. Which is why suffering through so much football mediocrity over the years has been maddening.
I know it's annoying to most, but there's decades of pent up frustration being exonerated with every year of Aggie success. Imma enjoy it as long as it lasts, I know that much.
This post was edited on 2/11/13 at 6:01 pm
Posted on 2/11/13 at 6:00 pm to TbirdSpur2010
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Here's the deal: if A&M doesn't leave the big12, Sherman is probably still A&M's head coach.
If Sherman's coaching, our team probably has the same conditioning problems that plagued us in 2011 and would have doomed us in 2012.
If Sherman's coaching, we don't have a spread offensive philosophy and try to beat the SEC playing the same style as Bama or LSU, and we don't have the horses to hang with that style against those teams for 4 quarters.
If Sherman's coaching, MANZIEL MOST LIKELY DOES NOT START. Jameil Showers, Tannehill's backup from the year before, would almost assuredly have been the starter, and while he's a more than competent QB, he doesn't have the "it" factor that JFF works his magic with and wins games with.
Great points.
The move caused A&M to make a huge commitment to the overall program. Looks like it benefited the SEC also.
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The big 12 refs really stuck it to em against Texas last year.
A&M is getting the last laugh though.
Posted on 2/11/13 at 6:03 pm to thefloydian
By making the move to the SEC, A&M made a commitment to changing the attitude around the football program. Part of that was to hire a coach they believed could build the program into a powerhouse, which many were convinced Sherman couldn't do. If you're going to make such a drastic move, why not take the opportunity to make sure you have the right coach, world-class facilities, etc.? They didn't half-arse it and went all-in on making changes. This past season was unexpected because the move to the SEC and the hiring of a new coach were meant to pay off years down the road.
Posted on 2/11/13 at 6:04 pm to TwelfthMan
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I remember not being surprised when Sherman was canned. I didn't realize there was a chance he would be brought back.
Just to be clear, I don't know that there was much of a chance. It was a terribly disappointing season and the last-play Texas loss really P.O.'ed a lot of Aggies. But if there was any doubt, the SEC move removed it.
Posted on 2/11/13 at 6:06 pm to finestfirst79
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It was great to kick ou's arse in the Cotton Bowl...
Thank you for changing your school affiliation. Seeing "TwelthMan" next to a longhorn logo was giving me a severe headache.
Posted on 2/11/13 at 6:09 pm to LOYALBAMA
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The big 12 refs really stuck it to em against Texas last year.
Horrible, horrible memories
Thanksgiving 2011 still feels like a goddamn nightmare. Lot of positive has happened since then, but that's a terrible taste to get out of my mouth
It's nice to see them squirming in austin now, though
Posted on 2/11/13 at 6:16 pm to thefloydian
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but I think they just had a good team this year, including the Heisman trophy winner, and the coach they hired before the season is looking like a winner as well. I think that that coupled with the fact that UT is in shambles had more to do with their success over the past year than switching conferences.
all of the above. who knows what causes the cycle to change? a&m went from a shite place to play for high school recruits to a cool place. getting rid of sherman, the old man with no charisma, and adding sumlin was huge and would have been just as huge in teh big 12. ditto with jff. jff was the luckiest thing to ever happen to a&m, the guy was spurned by tejas. meanwhile, mack brown has worn his welcome out in many high school recruits minds. then ADD moving to the SEC and a&m is the coolest place for high school recruits to go in the state of texas and it's one hell of a big state. sumlin is probably twice the coach brown is so we can pdrobably expect the aggies to be a damn good m tesm for the next few years. the SEC is huge for them and the timing could not have been better. many, if not most, really good ballplayers want to play in the best conference in the land.
Posted on 2/11/13 at 6:17 pm to thefloydian
quote:why does this thought still exist. We had a bad secondary. We would have been tripped up once in a shootout. We probably would have gone 11-1 and a fiesta bowl appearance
If A&M had played in the Big 12 last season they might have been playing for a national title in January.
This post was edited on 2/11/13 at 6:18 pm
Posted on 2/11/13 at 6:19 pm to WestCoastAg
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why does this thought still exist. We had a bad secondary. We would have been tripped up once in a shootout. We probably would have gone 11-1 and a fiesta bowl appearance
I think it's more likely that you would have gone undefeated and been kept out by Bama/Notre Dame.
Posted on 2/11/13 at 6:21 pm to LOYALBAMA
Dont remind us
I still refuse to rewatch any part of that game and that play in particular.
Thats why i think its funny when people on the rant complain about bama. Ive been in texas for 18 months and there have already been numerous times where i could see texas working shite in their favor
I still refuse to rewatch any part of that game and that play in particular.
Thats why i think its funny when people on the rant complain about bama. Ive been in texas for 18 months and there have already been numerous times where i could see texas working shite in their favor
This post was edited on 2/11/13 at 6:22 pm
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