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re: Danny O'brien released from UT
Posted on 10/10/16 at 7:09 pm to East Coast Band
Posted on 10/10/16 at 7:09 pm to East Coast Band
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It may sound cold, but if they ran a drug test on him prior to medical treatment, is UT responsible for paying those medical bills?
Don't employees typically get fired on the spot when they get hurt on the job, require medical care, and then get tested positive for drugs? And then whose health insurance picks up the costs?
We'll pay. UT has been good about paying for costs even for kids who had to quit for legit medical reasons and even those who decided they just weren't cut out for it. But I see your point.
This post was edited on 10/10/16 at 7:11 pm
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Posted on 10/10/16 at 7:17 pm to Aggie Fishfinder
Why would they drug test a guy when he gets injured?
Is that routine?
Is that routine?
Posted on 10/10/16 at 7:18 pm to thelawnwranglers
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If they drug tested his almost cripple body seems like a dick move. Plus hard summer practice = weed is okay
Depending on what treatments and procedures were involved, they'd have to make certain there weren't any drug interactions or other problems that could be a problem if they put him under. Not a dick move at all. An excellent way to avoid medical malpractice move would be a far better way to describe it.
It's entirely possible, in fact, that they asked and he admitted to drugs in his system. Getting kicked off the team sucks, but it's survivable. Dying because you were too worried about getting kicked off the team to admit anything is, well, less survivable.
Posted on 10/10/16 at 7:18 pm to DoreonthePlains
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Why would the hospital test for coke?
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Seriously? You don't think they are gonna check what's in his system before pumping him full of pain medications? I would imagine that cocaine shows up on a simple blood toxicology report.
They wouldn't test for drugs in a football-related injury. Regardless, an ER drug screen is inadmissible as evidence since there is no chain-of-custody. If it was drugs, it was a completely unrelated University or NCAA test.
Posted on 10/10/16 at 7:21 pm to Nguyening
I mean, if we're speculating, it's impossible to rule out that he might have eaten a toddler.
I'm not saying it's likely, but...I mean, we're just spitballing.
I'm not saying it's likely, but...I mean, we're just spitballing.
Posted on 10/10/16 at 7:21 pm to FrankWhite'56
No wonder they're such a 2nd half team. Here guys.. time for yalls adjustment... snort.
Posted on 10/10/16 at 7:23 pm to Prof
Maybe they asked him and he was scared about medical condition and cop to it
Posted on 10/10/16 at 7:23 pm to FrankWhite'56
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Regardless, an ER drug screen is inadmissible as evidence since there is no chain-of-custody.
Butch doesn't need the force of legal evidence behind him to kick a player off his team.
EDIT: For people talking about how the hospital can't release medical records without consent, you're entirely right. But the odds are extremely good that there would be no need to release them because it is highly probable that a coach or other team employee was in the room with him during all interactions with the doctors.
This post was edited on 10/10/16 at 7:29 pm
Posted on 10/10/16 at 7:24 pm to GoBigOrange86
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I mean, if we're speculating, it's impossible to rule out that he might have eaten a toddler.
I'm not saying it's likely, but...I mean, we're just spitballing.
Fetus might be why he is walking now
Posted on 10/10/16 at 7:32 pm to Central Pork
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Why would they drug test a guy when he gets injured?
Is that routine?
I'm not sure about sports in college, but at a most work places, if you get injured, it's routine to drug test. Therefore, if you're positive drug tested, the company can say your injury was a result of your being under the influence and possibly not a result of workplace negligence, etc.
I suppose it is possible that a University, any University, could make the argument that your injury on the football field was a result of your being under the influence causing you to create your own bodily injury, etc.
Who knows what lawyers could do?
Posted on 10/10/16 at 7:40 pm to East Coast Band
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I'm not sure about sports in college, but at a most work places, if you get injured, it's routine to drug test. Therefore, if you're positive drug tested, the company can say your injury was a result of your being under the influence and possibly not a result of workplace negligence, etc.
It just wasn't done in the hospital. Those aren't admissible. And even if the kid specifically asked for a urine drug screen, the results wouldn't be discussed in front of anyone other than the player. No coaches, no trainers. It's the law.
Posted on 10/10/16 at 7:43 pm to FrankWhite'56
Then how do employers get results of your drug test? I could see it being the same for a University, who is ponying ip the money for your medical treatment.
Posted on 10/10/16 at 7:51 pm to East Coast Band
Employees are typically referred to a drug-testing facility, where they have a specific chain-of-custody. The employee has already (or will) sign a release providing a copy of that test result to their employer.
More likely this was a random (or routine) drug test he failed some time back.
More likely this was a random (or routine) drug test he failed some time back.
Posted on 10/10/16 at 8:00 pm to Volatile
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bly found it in his blood work up in the hospital
Absolutely not. They don't drug screen every patient who enters a hospital unless there is a reason to suspect that. When lab work is ordered and ran it is only looking for that result. You don't run a CBC and the results say "oh he's positive for cocaine too".
Posted on 10/10/16 at 8:05 pm to MaroonNation
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Danny O'Brien?@dandiesel13
I take full responsibility. I'm grateful for my teammates, coaches, and Vol nation. It has been and honor to help bring this program back.
Posted on 10/10/16 at 8:06 pm to FrankWhite'56
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And even if the kid specifically asked for a urine drug screen, the results wouldn't be discussed in front of anyone other than the player. No coaches, no trainers. It's the law.
Unless the person gives their permission. It's not hard to imagine a college football player not wanting to risk telling his coach he's not allowed to be present when discussing medical results after a football injury? Sure, they have the legal right to do so, but I strongly doubt most of them would risk antagonizing and/or arousing the suspicions of their coaches in that situation. And there's always the possibility that they've previously signed off on a coach or trainer having access.
Hell, if nothing else, the doctors could have told him they couldn't treat him properly just because of drugs, and he had to think long and hard about how to tell his coach why he wasn't getting treated. The real world is a lot more complicated than the law sometimes.
Posted on 10/10/16 at 8:06 pm to David Ricky
hate it for him. Had a great time hanging out with him in Knoxville though. Lived in the neighborhood a few years back. Hilarious guy
Posted on 10/10/16 at 8:11 pm to UMRealist
Processed.
Posted on 10/10/16 at 8:12 pm to Central Pork
Yes, a drug test is routine if someone goes to emergency room for most internal injuries. Neck/back is obviously internal. Probably went in for X-rays//MRI and had they seen a potential life threatening issue that needed surgery they would have wanted the blood results to prep for surgery. Pretty routine.
They wouldn't want to discover a life threatening injury and then have to wait for blood test results before surgery.
They wouldn't want to discover a life threatening injury and then have to wait for blood test results before surgery.
This post was edited on 10/10/16 at 8:15 pm
Posted on 10/10/16 at 8:13 pm to David Ricky
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Danny O'Brien?@dandiesel13
I take full responsibility. I'm grateful for my teammates, coaches, and Vol nation. It has been and honor to help bring this program back.
Forgiven Danny. This hurts but we all have problems and chemical problems are hard to kick. Get well soon. You've been a warrior.
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