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re: Could you have been SEC offensive PLayer of the Year
Posted on 1/15/17 at 12:47 pm to 3morereps
Posted on 1/15/17 at 12:47 pm to 3morereps
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Playing qb behind Bama's line?
I mean hurts did it, and that kid has no business throwing a football. How hard can handing the ball off, throwing short routes and long 50/50 balls? He reminds me of Nick Marshall
Dobbs had better stats and played behind a shittier line. Sometimes it really is just a matter of popularity.
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Posted on 1/15/17 at 12:50 pm to Prof
I would have been fine with Dobbs winning it, but Dobbs was mediocre at best against good teams in totality.
Let's not act like Dobbs was some sort of star quarterback all season. Half of the Tennessee fans wanted him benched after the South Carolina game and then he went wild against Tennessee Tech, Kentucky, Missouri and Vanderbilt.
He had 11 TDS and 1 INT vs those 4, he had 14 TD and 9 INT heading into Tennessee Tech.
Let's not act like Dobbs was some sort of star quarterback all season. Half of the Tennessee fans wanted him benched after the South Carolina game and then he went wild against Tennessee Tech, Kentucky, Missouri and Vanderbilt.
He had 11 TDS and 1 INT vs those 4, he had 14 TD and 9 INT heading into Tennessee Tech.
This post was edited on 1/15/17 at 12:56 pm
Posted on 1/15/17 at 12:53 pm to Triple Daves
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Yea, can't wait to have another true freshman starting who has to spend an entire year adjusting to the speed of the game and throwing to spots. Sounds like a fantastic idea. Tua would be adjusting from Hawaii public high school defenses to Florida State, LSU and Auburn. I'm sure he'd just fly right through it with no issues
Quick, somebody tell me the last true freshman QB who immediately appeared to be in charge of the offense and able to throw route trees?
Jalen has to improve a lot in his passing, both accuracy wise and reading things. The biggest jump for this is usually between the first and second year, especially for a true freshman. If he isn't better next year, then it will be time to start wondering and thinking about other options. Until then, this is silliness.
Hurts went through bowl practice last year, spring practice, fall practice and 13 games before playing two of his worst games of the year. Wasn't like he didn't have any experience then.
Stewart had one of the best passes in the game and hasn't played QB since HS, 3 years ago. Stewart had someone in his face when he threw the pass and they had a guy pretty close to our receiver as well.
Posted on 1/15/17 at 12:54 pm to Crimson Wraith
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Hurts went through bowl practice last year, spring practice, fall practice and 13 games before playing two of his worst games of the year. Wasn't like he didn't have any experience then.
You are kidding right?
Again, go find me the 5 best true freshman QB seasons since 2000. It doesn't happen, it's too hard.
If he shows up in September and hasn't figured it out, I'll worry. And that's possible, but I'm not going to make career assumptions based on a true freshman QB season.
This post was edited on 1/15/17 at 12:55 pm
Posted on 1/15/17 at 1:02 pm to TTsTowel
Yeah but you also said Jeremy Johnson was going to be better than Nick Marshall and the best passer Gustav has had at Auburn. 
Posted on 1/15/17 at 1:04 pm to Triple Daves
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You are kidding right?
No, I'm not kidding.
Any FR on 'ship to a major college program should be able to pass better than that after bowl prep, spring, fall and almost an entire year of college ball.
No excuse for it.
Why weren't any of the other QB's ready?
Posted on 1/15/17 at 1:06 pm to Crimson Wraith
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Why weren't any of the other QB's ready?
That's a totally separate question that is 100% fair to ask.
But that isn't Jalens fault.
Posted on 1/15/17 at 1:10 pm to Triple Daves
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CFB Film Room ?@CFBFilmRoom
Uncatchable pass rate on throws 10+ yds downfield
Hurts: 40.2%
Watson: 22.3%
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CFB Film Room ?@CFBFilmRoom Jan 9
Jalen Hurts is completing 47.6% of his passes thrown more than 5 yards downfield.
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CFB Film Room ?@CFBFilmRoom Jan 5
Jake Coker was 9-11 for 252 yds under pressure vs Clemson last year.
Jalen Hurts is 23-76 for 279 yds under pressure this season.
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CFB Film Room ?@CFBFilmRoom Jan 3
Jalen Hurts is completing 23.7% of his passes under pressure when throwing at least 5 yds downfield
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CFB Film Room ?@CFBFilmRoom 6 Dec 2016
Excluding throw aways, Alabama QB Jalen Hurts was 4-12 on pass attempts that traveled past the line of scrimmage in SEC Championship Game
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CFB Film Room ?@CFBFilmRoom 30 Nov 2016
Jalen Hurts is 17-53 with 2 TD and 4 INT on throws 20+ yards downfield this season
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CFB Film Room ?@CFBFilmRoom 28 Nov 2016
Jalen Hurts was officially credited with 36 pass attempts vs Auburn. Excluding throw aways, only 11 of them traveled past the LOS.
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CFB Film Room ?@CFBFilmRoom 28 Nov 2016
Since we chart tap passes as handoffs, we had Jalen Hurts passing numbers at: 18-28, 249 yds, 2 TD, 2 Int vs Auburn
quote:I'll stop there. Dates are with most tweets.
CFB Film Room ?@CFBFilmRoom 23 Nov 2016
Jalen Hurts under pressure vs teams in AP Top 25 (USC, TENN, TA&M, LSU): 6-19, 63 yds, 0 TD, 1 Int
Guy was a complete liability and Lane Kiffin did an incredible job of masking his many limitations in the passing game. If he doesn't improve, Alabama might start over with another guy.
Posted on 1/15/17 at 1:14 pm to ColoBama
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Just because our OL is better than L6U's does not mean it was a great one
Curious why you cherry picked LSU, Alabama has the best offensive line in college football and better than any other team.
Hurts is a great player but behind a offensive line similar to say Kentucky he would not have been mentioned as the SEC offensive player of the year.
The BCS loss could have been more to do with having a new OC than anything else.
Lack of talent had nothing to do with BAMA losing to Clemson. Alabama clearly was the most dominate team in college football and losing the game does not change this it only means you did not win the title
Posted on 1/15/17 at 1:14 pm to cajunbama
quote:I don't remember this. Care to link?
Yeah but you also said Jeremy Johnson was going to be better than Nick Marshall
I even started a thread stating Auburn would miss Nick Marshall even with Jeremy Johnson starting in 2015, before the train went off the rails.
quote:Again, link? I'd be hard pressed to say he would be a better passer than Cam Newton even after his exceptional play before 2015.
and the best passer Gustav has had at Auburn.
Posted on 1/15/17 at 1:16 pm to 3morereps
quote:Not hardly. Nick Marshall could pass and alot better runner. Marshall set the passing game record on an Alabama Defense. Hurts wouldn't set the passing record against Kentucky.
He reminds me of Nick Marshall
Posted on 1/15/17 at 1:18 pm to LCTFAN
quote:Clemson beat Alabama in almost every phase of the game, outside of turnovers and yards rushing.
Alabama clearly was the most dominate team in college football and losing the game does not change this it only means you did not win the title
Clemson had more first downs, a better 3rd down conversion rate, more total yards, more passing yards, less penalties and more time of possession.
Posted on 1/15/17 at 1:19 pm to TTsTowel
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If he doesn't improve, Alabama might start over with another guy.
Agree - I'm just not ready to assume he won't like some seem to be. If he doesn't, another young guy will get a shot.
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Guy was a complete liability and Lane Kiffin did an incredible job of masking his many limitations in the passing game.
Agree, no arguments.
Hurts was not ready to be an SEC passer. Most high school QBs aren't. He was thrown to the fire. However, he had other skills that helped mask that and an OC who did a great job playing to his strengths.
He has a year under is belt and now a full off season to use that experience to improve. Many like him have (Lamar Jackson, RG3, Braxton Miller, etc). If he does, great. If he doesn't, it'll be time to worry.
This post was edited on 1/15/17 at 1:23 pm
Posted on 1/15/17 at 1:21 pm to Rabern57
quote:Surprisingly enough, both were bad passers (although Nick Marshall was better - he wasn't as sheltered with play-calling and overcame a worse quarterback coach) in their first seasons, and both went on to win SEC Championships while losing in the National Championship. Both were also very good runners, with Nick Marshall being better there, too.
Not hardly. Nick Marshall could pass and alot better runner. Marshall set the passing game record on an Alabama Defense. Hurts wouldn't set the passing record against Kentucky.
Posted on 1/15/17 at 1:21 pm to TTsTowel
You should post that all on the Bama board. Would love to read the responses.
Posted on 1/15/17 at 1:23 pm to Patton
quote:I would if I had access.
You should post that all on the Bama board. Would love to read the responses
Posted on 1/15/17 at 1:24 pm to Patton
I think most understand Jalen wasn't ready to be an SEC passer. He wasn't going to succeed when things broke down or we were in clear passing downs.
The problem in the title game was he was also bad on simple stuff, stuff he'd been ok at earlier in the year. That then led to bad situations, which snowballed.
The problem in the title game was he was also bad on simple stuff, stuff he'd been ok at earlier in the year. That then led to bad situations, which snowballed.
This post was edited on 1/15/17 at 1:25 pm
Posted on 1/15/17 at 1:34 pm to Crimson Legend
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If Bama had such a good OL, we would have controlled the ball, given our defense a rest, and won the title game by double digits. But instead...
Your QB couldn't pass the ball so you lost . Just like you did when Sims was your QB and he couldn't pass the ball.
Posted on 1/15/17 at 1:38 pm to tjv305
Sims was much better at passing than Jalen. Blake had a beautiful deep ball.
Posted on 1/15/17 at 2:14 pm to 3morereps
quote:He shouldn't. Nick Marshall was a master of the zone read, and his deep ball was absolutely deadly. He set freaking records on Bama for crying out loud.
He reminds me of Nick Marshall
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