re: Could Oklahoma screw the BIG XII?

OU isn't coming, so it really doesn't matter.

One thing I will say about this, call it the "cultural" fit, is that A&M has flirted with the SEC for at least two decades prior to joining. We had a long history with LSU, and obviously a lot of history with Arkansas prior to joining. The A&M fan base wanted to be in the SEC for cultural affiliation as much as we did for a business relationship. While Texas is its own culture, it is a southern derivative sub-culture. Not that this matters either, but the founders of Texas AMC had deep ties to the Confederacy.

Ironically, while tu had a big long history with OU prior to the formation of the XII, we had no history with them other than a few scattered series'. And someone correct me if I'm wrong, but Arkansas doesn't seem to have much history with OU either.

If you guys thought Ole Miss has been doing dirty shite, wait til you see what Oklahoma and OSU will be willing to do.

Bringing in the Oklahoma schools only waters down recruiting Texas. Texas is where those two schools get the majority of their players.

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The main reason Arkansas left the SWC was Texas flirting with the PAC-10. We didn't want to get left holding the bag with Texas A&M in trying to hold the SWC together.

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You don't have a clue what you're talking about.

The following was proven in a court of law.

From 1993:

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At trial, the appellant abandoned his argument that he was conducting state business by attending the ceremony as an official invitee of L.S.U. He instead claimed that he went to conduct official state business by meeting with Dr. Davis to discuss the possibility of Texas A & M's leaving the Southwest Conference (S.W.C.) and joining the Southeastern Conference (S.E.C.), and the financial status of the S.E.C. The appellant argued that his discussion with Dr. Davis was of the utmost importance to the state, and his witnesses attested to the importance of the issues surrounding the breakup of the S.W.C. and to the need for discretion about Texas A & M's possible move from the S.W.C. to the S.E.C.

.... The State showed that the invitation to join the S.E.C. had been formally extended to Texas A & M a few years before the appellant's trip.

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LINK

Arkansas saw the writing on the wall (and good for them): the non-producers like Rice, TCU, Baylor and Houston were about to take down the rest of the conference. There was no longer a desire for Texas or A&M or Arkansas to subsidize them, as they had for decades (especially Texas). You left for greener pastures, a good move by Frank Broyles.

Moreover, all the Big 12 issues (individual third-tier networks and unequal TV money distributions based on appearances) were approved each and every time by A&M, Oklahoma, Nebraska and Missouri.

You're all a bunch of lying bitches.

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Moreover, all the Big 12 issues (individual third-tier networks and unequal TV money distributions based on appearances) were approved each and every time by A&M, Oklahoma, Nebraska and Missouri.

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Yeah and 3 of those 4 schools have got the frick out, and OU is trying hard to do so now. So if OU and/or OSU bail - what will ya'll do? Add Cincinnati, Memphis, BYU, Tulane, Houston?

Probably better off going independent so you can savor the LHN...

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. The State showed that the invitation to join the S.E.C. had been formally extended to Texas A & M a few years before the appellant's trip.

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Hey that is a pretty good link. Bookmarked for the next time someone says that only Texas was invited back in the 1990s.

Well I was alive and cognizant at that time (unlike a great deal of you posting here) and it was well-known that Texas was going to the Pac-10 and A&M was headed to the SEC.

The accusation that there was political pressure from Lt. Gov. Bullock (Tech) and Gov. Richards (Baylor) has been disputed by former UT System president/chancellor Bill Cunningham in a recent book.

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OU is not bolting for the SEc because the SEC does not have a spot for OU. The other universities would never approve them.

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Says who? We let in Arkansas, South Carolina, and Mizzou... which are all far more questionable.

Oklahoma is a Top 3 program of all time, along with Notre Dame & Alabama. If Oklahoma wants in the league, you let them in.

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They add nothing to TV contract

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Not true. It would add the #45 and the #60 largest television markets into the SEC footprint. Currently the SEC has 21 of the Top 60 markets in its footprint... this would bring that up to 23.

While it would not add a gigantic increase to the SEC Network subscription revenue, it would add a CFB crazed state into the footprint that would pay off big in terms of ad revenue.

According to the most recent statistics released by ESPN, Oklahoma City ranks as the #8 top metered market for their college football broadcasts, and Tulsa is right behind at #9.

What this means is that while St. Louis and Kansas City might be larger television markets, there are just as many televisions actually tuned in to college football in Oklahoma City and Tulsa combined as there are in Kansas City and St. Louis combined.

Those two markets put together bring in more actual viewers than the Tampa market... and Tampa ranks as the #3 market for college football (in terms of the number of viewers) behind only Atlanta and Birmingham.

Average number of televisions turned on to an ESPN CFB broadcast:

90,658- Atlanta
63,119- Birmingham
39,931- Oklahoma City & Tulsa combined
39,056- Tampa
38,826- Phoenix
35,753- Orlando
34,190- Greenville-Spartanburg
29,215- Charlotte
27,714- Nashville
27,272- Portland
26,592- New Orleans
24,892- Columbus, OH
24,892- Raleigh-Durham
24,173- Memphis

While its a bit unfair to combine those two markets, it does demonstrate how football-obsessed the state of Oklahoma is, and how many viewers it would add to broadcasts. That would mean the ESPN and the SEC Network could charge more for advertising in addition to the increase in SEC Network subscribers.

Lastly, Oklahoma City is growing very fast. With all the cord-cutting that has been going on with cable in the last few years, very few television markets are actually growing in terms of the number of Television Households. In fact, of the Top 75 markets, only 18 have grown in the number of TV households since 2010..... while its certain there are people ditching cable in those 18 markets as well, there is enough population growth going on to offset these losses in cable subscriptions. So while Oklahoma City might *only* be the #45 largest market now... it very well could be the #40 largest market within 10 years.

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It's not happening. If OU wants out they better start talking to the Pac 12

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Oklahoma would be a terrible fit for the PAC 12, IMO.

Oklahoma as a state is more of a cultural fit to the SEC than Missouri and probably arguably even Texas A&M. Their passion for football is on par with the big programs in the league, and their football tradition is one of the best in the country.

I think they would be a great addition... even if it meant adding Oklahoma State as well.

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While Texas is its own culture, it is a southern derivative sub-culture.

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Texas A&M is a great fit for the league. Culturally, yes they are very similar to the rest of the SEC. But in my opinion, Oklahoma is probably the closest fit from a cultural standpoint out of teams no currently in the SEC. I would put Florida State, Clemson, and Georgia Tech up there as well.... maybe Virginia Tech. But Oklahoma offers more to the SEC than those other programs, IMO.

How old are you? Like, 32?

Of course I know that the Lt. Gov. is the most powerful Texas politician, especially someone like Bob Bullock.

All I am reporting is the FACT that Bill Cunningham has written a book saying that Richards and Bullock did not apply pressure on the University of Texas to bring along Tech and Baylor.

That could very well be political-speak, with their subordinates actually putting the pressure and no direct communications, or someone like Pete Laney (Tech) or David Sibley (Baylor).

All I can say about your bitching about the Big 12 TV contract is, you should have won more football games. You didn't. The contract was probably signed about the time you brought in Franchione, which happened to be the last time you blew yourself up into something you weren't, only to fall flat on your face.