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Conference expansion = more money?

Posted on 12/5/12 at 10:19 am
Posted by bona fide
Burma
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Posted on 12/5/12 at 10:19 am
I hate conference expansion and I hate Slive for his hand in the SEC expansion.

One of the main reasons given by the media and fans for expansion was money. I as a fan don't really care about the extra money, Bama has plenty. I also questioned at the time if more money would actually be realized.

Which leads me to my question, are the SEC teams making more money now? Is CBS paying more for the SEC rights this season? ESPN? If so, how much more? What about bowl revenue, nine teams last year, nine this year. Split 14 ways this year instead of 12.
Posted by Teague
The Shoals, AL
Member since Aug 2007
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Posted on 12/5/12 at 10:20 am to
Thank you.

Exactly what I said before it happened.
Posted by lsutothetop
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Posted on 12/5/12 at 10:22 am to
As far as bowls go, I'd have to think we probably lost out relative to 12 teams. Fact is that the SEC is probably gonna send 8-10 teams bowling during good years and 6-8 during bad years no matter how many teams you have. The only thing expansion does in that respect that's positive is give you a better chance of getting on the higher end of the bad years. During good years you're not expanding bowl berths and you're splitting the money with more programs.

More generally, wouldn't know. But my thinking is that there's no way the SEC execs would overlook anything those of us, with far less access to information, would be able to find. So we can probably safely assume that the SEC is profiting from expansion.
Posted by Tayday
Lake Charles. LA
Member since Mar 2011
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Posted on 12/5/12 at 10:26 am to
Tv contracts > bowl money.
This post was edited on 12/5/12 at 10:29 am
Posted by bona fide
Burma
Member since Jun 2010
8972 posts
Posted on 12/5/12 at 10:33 am to
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Tv contracts > bowl money.


I assume that to be the case, but did the SEC get a bump in TV contract money for this year or next?
Posted by TeLeFaWx
Dallas, TX
Member since Aug 2011
29179 posts
Posted on 12/5/12 at 10:34 am to
Long hair don't care.
Posted by PepaSpray
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Member since Aug 2012
11080 posts
Posted on 12/5/12 at 10:35 am to
We gonna get a super deal including an SEC network that will blow away any Longhorn or Big Ten or even PAC 12 network.

ETA: can't wait to watch games old and new all year round
This post was edited on 12/5/12 at 10:37 am
Posted by ChrisTAMU
Member since Aug 2011
811 posts
Posted on 12/5/12 at 10:36 am to
Contracts have to be renegotiated. Clay Travis wrote an article about it that I'm too lazy to find, but I suggest reading that. SEC will see a nice monetary increase across the board.
Posted by Stripes314
St. Louis
Member since Oct 2011
5033 posts
Posted on 12/5/12 at 10:37 am to
Wait for the SEC Network. CBS gave a little bump, but the SEC Network was what expansion was based on.
Posted by panzer
Baton Rouge
Member since Aug 2006
4035 posts
Posted on 12/5/12 at 10:56 am to
TAM was a no brainer. Missouri was a lame brainer. When we could have had WVU and the Pittsburg market, or NC State and the Raleigh market, or Louisville etc.

Missouri was plain crazy
Posted by Quidam65
Q Continuum
Member since Jun 2010
19309 posts
Posted on 12/5/12 at 10:57 am to
quote:

I hate Slive for his hand in the SEC expansion


Slive wasn't looking to expand the SEC from 12 teams (unlike Delaney and Scott, both of whom wanted to get to 12 so their conferences could have a CCG).

But when a flagship university within the 2nd largest state in the US is interested in joining (and isn't trying to call the shots in the process), you have to at least bring the offer to the other university presidents/chancellors to gauge their interest.

And even with an odd number of schools (13) the SEC was still happy and willing to make it work (after all, the B1G worked with 11 schools and no divisional alignment for several years) and not pushing to make it 14. But we got to 14 with Mizzou.

If VT, NC State, or someone else wants in, we'll take a look to see what they bring to the table. If they would be good additions and we get to 15 or 16, fine; if not, our 14 will sit back and rake in the dough.
Posted by bona fide
Burma
Member since Jun 2010
8972 posts
Posted on 12/5/12 at 11:09 am to
So far I'm seeing the the same phrases being thrown around but nobody has shown that the SEC is currently making more money. I think CBS has not upped the contract, and I don't know about ESPN.

If neither networks are paying more money and the bowl money will be roughly the same.....

Assuming teams made 15mil last year(I think that;s in the ballpark), they would now be making under 13mil this year by splitting 14 ways.

Posted by 03ki11er
Member since Feb 2012
44 posts
Posted on 12/5/12 at 11:20 am to
quote:

So far I'm seeing the the same phrases being thrown around but nobody has shown that the SEC is currently making more money. I think CBS has not upped the contract, and I don't know about ESPN.


As of now, no, the SEC is not making more money, but if you're not smart enough to understand why the SEC is due to make substantially more in future returns then no amount of explaining will help. We're not talking 25 million a year anymore, we're talking about 50 million. Just calm down, there are a lot of people that are more intelligent working on this.
Posted by cardboardboxer
Member since Apr 2012
34332 posts
Posted on 12/5/12 at 12:07 pm to
CBS already said it will pay the extra for A&M and Mizzou in their contract so the per team amount is the same when split.

The real money will come from the SEC Network which the SEC is wisely not rushing. By waiting a year A&M made the network a much easier sell in Texas by having a decent season.
This post was edited on 12/5/12 at 12:08 pm
Posted by BreakawayZou83
Kansas City, Missouri
Member since Oct 2011
9488 posts
Posted on 12/5/12 at 12:09 pm to
You are such a whiny bitch.
Posted by FightTigers
Missourah
Member since Oct 2011
2693 posts
Posted on 12/5/12 at 12:11 pm to
quote:

When we could have had WVU and the Pittsburg market, or NC State and the Raleigh market, or Louisville etc.


You do realize that the St. Louis and KC markets are > than anything you just listed above. Nice try though...
Posted by BreakawayZou83
Kansas City, Missouri
Member since Oct 2011
9488 posts
Posted on 12/5/12 at 12:13 pm to
quote:

You do realize that the St. Louis and KC markets are > than anything you just listed above. Nice try though...


Just realize most people that throw out WVU being better than Mizzou as a conference addition are going to be trolls or idiots, there is a reason WVU got publicly rejected not only by the SEC, but the ACC too.


And to this thread in general: it is too early to start bitching about lack of additional money from conference realignment.

A) It's not done yet and therefore impossible to judge.
B) No TV contracts or bowl tie-ins have been renegotiated yet.

It's the reason the Big 12 is hanging out with ten teams for the time being - they are getting overpaid on outdated contracts and tie-ins, when renegotiation time comes around, they're going to be fricked while the SEC and Big Ten will be sitting pretty.
Posted by imjustafatkid
Alabama
Member since Dec 2011
50519 posts
Posted on 12/5/12 at 12:23 pm to
I don't have a lot to add here, but I don't think 9 bowl games this year can compare to 9 bowl games last year due to Texas A&M being one of the bowl eligible teams this season. This assumes that one of the pre-existing teams from before the expansion who did not make bowl eligibility this season would have made bowl eligibility had expansion not occurred. This isnt an apples to apples comparison. You would need to calculate what the split would have been to 12 teams with just 8 bowl eligible teams, and then split out 9 bowls among 14 teams to get the actual disparity per school.
This post was edited on 12/5/12 at 12:26 pm
Posted by bona fide
Burma
Member since Jun 2010
8972 posts
Posted on 12/5/12 at 12:29 pm to
-Googled the SEC TV payouts. Last year SEC teams made about 20 million each from TV rights, that means each team is losing three million a year each year plus loss of bowl revenue.

- One poster noted that CBS has guaranteed equal pay per team. I can't find anything to verify that. CBS' public stance is, no more money because they still are broadcasting the same amount of games.

- Didn't realize I was whining, just looking for info and curious about the current numbers. As I said in OP, no amount of money would make me happy about expansion.

Posted by kilo
Member since Oct 2011
27425 posts
Posted on 12/5/12 at 12:33 pm to
quote:

You are such a whiny bitch.


Yes he is.
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