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Posted on 11/5/14 at 3:21 pm to MarcusQuinn
Posted on 11/5/14 at 3:21 pm to MarcusQuinn
quote:I honestly do not see any inconsistency with this reasoning.
but for right now, to do this right, the SEC West pecking order has to be Mississippi State, Auburn, LSU, Ole Miss, Alabama, Texas A&M – there are no other variables among these five teams considering all of the losses involved came among themselves.
I don't think you put LSU at #4 nationally, but they should be considered ahead of Ole Miss. Putting Ole Miss ahead of Bama is also logical, even though Ole Miss has an additional loss, because of the quality of Ole Miss's losses. Obviously MSU and Auburn are 1 and 2.
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Posted on 11/5/14 at 3:22 pm to bigpapamac
quote:Using margin of victory can be somewhat misleading. So we are 34 points worse than Auburn but 3 points better then OM who is only 4 points worse then Auburn.
They lost to #3 by 34 points. That happened on the field. I'd bet there are some deserving teams who could stay within 34. I doubt #3 is 34 points better than #4.
I know that sounds convoluted but does that somewhat make sense? There is no need for this to become a flame fest, as Bamas schedule is backloaded so it will work itself out. But at this very moment if you want to truly try to rank based on results and not preconceived bias, these rankings arent that far fetched 
Posted on 11/5/14 at 3:26 pm to JuiceTerry
quote:So? We have also had to face 1 & 3. So losing to 1 & 3 should only force you to fall to 4. We are too caught up on number of losses in college football. If # 1, 2, 3, 4 are all undefeated, and 2 goes on the road and loses a dogfight to # 1, they are all but guaranteed to fall to #4 in the next poll behind the other undefeated's. This is completely illogical. If they were number 2 in your opinion, why should losing to number 1 make them become # 4 in your eyes?
It's proven that you lose more often
Posted on 11/5/14 at 3:30 pm to lsupride87
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We are too caught up on number of losses in college football.
quote:You just made an outstanding argument for Bama 2011!! Now go make it on the Tiger Rant and see how it turns out.
If # 1, 2, 3, 4 are all undefeated, and 2 goes on the road and loses a dogfight to # 1, they are all but guaranteed to fall to #4 in the next poll behind the other undefeated's. This is completely illogical. If they were number 2 in your opinion, why should losing to number 1 make them become # 4 in your eyes?
This post was edited on 11/5/14 at 3:31 pm
Posted on 11/5/14 at 3:33 pm to JuiceTerry
quote:100%. They definitely had that argument in 2011
You just made an outstanding argument for Bama 2011!! Now go make it on the Tiger Rant and see how it turns out
Posted on 11/5/14 at 3:33 pm to JuiceTerry
quote:100%. They definitely had that argument in 2011
You just made an outstanding argument for Bama 2011!! Now go make it on the Tiger Rant and see how it turns out
Posted on 11/5/14 at 3:34 pm to lsupride87
A 41-7 arse kicking screams unrated team to me.
Posted on 11/5/14 at 3:35 pm to phaz
quote:Thanks for your insight
A 41-7 arse kicking screams unrated team to me.
Posted on 11/5/14 at 3:40 pm to MarcusQuinn
If you ignore margin of victory, this makes perfect sense to me. There should be some consistency in the list - losing to the #1 and #3 team in the list should be expected if you are #4 or lower.
But I can't ignore the margins of victory. Not even being in a competitive game against auburn is a HUGE difference from your receiver breaking his leg as he's scoring the winning touchdown. Alabama struggling to beat Arkansas on a blocked extra point is worth considering, and so is the fact that they beat West Virginia more impressively than TCU did. The somewhat controversial offensive interference on Notre Dame not only took away their winning TD, but pushed them back from an almost certain score from inside the 5. I don't see how a person can just ignore all of that and go strictly on won/loss.
But I can't ignore the margins of victory. Not even being in a competitive game against auburn is a HUGE difference from your receiver breaking his leg as he's scoring the winning touchdown. Alabama struggling to beat Arkansas on a blocked extra point is worth considering, and so is the fact that they beat West Virginia more impressively than TCU did. The somewhat controversial offensive interference on Notre Dame not only took away their winning TD, but pushed them back from an almost certain score from inside the 5. I don't see how a person can just ignore all of that and go strictly on won/loss.
Posted on 11/5/14 at 3:41 pm to JuiceTerry
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You just made an outstanding argument for Bama 2011!! Now go make it on the Tiger Rant and see how it turns out.
So what are you saying, it was right for Alabama in '11, but it's wrong for LSU in '14?
Please to be consistent.
Posted on 11/5/14 at 3:42 pm to bigpapamac
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I doubt #3 is 34 points better than #4.
Agreed. Also doubt AU is 34 points better than LSU at this time but that game is in the books. LSU simply got things figured out a couple of weeks too late IMO. The way they're playing defense and running the ball now, they likely would beat MSU at home and likely would play a much better game in defeat on the Plains. A wise football man once said, "Who you're playing is never more important than when you're playing them." I also think LSU is ranked just about where they should be at 16. If they win out, the rankings will take care of themselves and they'll finish in the top ten.
Posted on 11/5/14 at 3:42 pm to Crimson Legend
quote:Not saying one should, but the margin of victory can get so weird in college football. I mean how the hell does Bama beat A&M by 59 but arky by 1? Also, how the hell do we lose by 34 to Auburn but beat OM?
I don't see how a person can just ignore all of that and go strictly on won/loss.
Posted on 11/5/14 at 3:43 pm to lsupride87
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Not saying one should, but the margin of victory can get so weird in college football. I mean how the hell does Bama beat A&M by 59 but arky by 1? Also, how the hell do we lose by 34 to Auburn but beat OM?
Solid point. This is why it's so tough.
Posted on 11/5/14 at 3:47 pm to Crimson Legend
quote:
Not saying one should, but the margin of victory can get so weird in college football. I mean how the hell does Bama beat A&M by 59 but arky by 1? Also, how the hell do we lose by 34 to Auburn but beat OM?quote:
Solid point. This is why it's so tough.
This is why the playoffs should just consist of conference champions, then you don't have to worry about stupid shite like this.
Posted on 11/5/14 at 3:49 pm to WildTchoupitoulas
The conferences are too imbalanced for this to be fair. It works in the NFL, where there is a more limited number of teams and more parity. In the NCAA, there is a VAST gap between winning the Big Ten or ACC, and winning the SEC.
Posted on 11/5/14 at 3:52 pm to WildTchoupitoulas
quote:LSU has two blow-out losses.
So what are you saying, it was right for Alabama in '11, but it's wrong for LSU in '14?
Please to be consistent.
It doesn't matter. Beat Bama and you'll move up.
Posted on 11/5/14 at 3:55 pm to JuiceTerry
quote:This is a complete and utter lie. You can say Miss St controlled the game, but when you throw a pass as time expires to potentially win the game, it isnt a blow out
two blow-out losses
Posted on 11/5/14 at 3:55 pm to MarcusQuinn
Bama too high. What have they really accomplished so far?
Posted on 11/5/14 at 3:56 pm to lsupride87
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This is a complete and utter lie. You can say Miss St controlled the game, but when you throw a pass as time expires to potentially win the game, it isnt a blow out
Tell that to the Ole Miss fans about the Alabama game.
Posted on 11/5/14 at 3:56 pm to JuiceTerry
quote:But why? The blowout loss to Auburn will still be there. So using your logic we should not move move up after beating Bama. Your sole reason for saying we are ranked 16 is because of the blowout loss. So why does your logic change after the Bama game? The loss doesnt dissapear
LSU has two blow-out losses.
It doesn't matter. Beat Bama and you'll move up.
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