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re: Can A&M become the premier University in Texas?
Posted on 4/3/13 at 9:47 am to BennyAndTheInkJets
Posted on 4/3/13 at 9:47 am to BennyAndTheInkJets
So you don't consider that ability for an Aggie to get another Aggie a job important in evaluating the quality of alumni network? What exactly is more important than that? There are also plenty of social and other strong aspects to the Aggie Network.
The biggest difference between A&M and Texas is A&M is strongest in the undergrad alumni network while Texas is strongest in the grad school alumni network.
The biggest difference between A&M and Texas is A&M is strongest in the undergrad alumni network while Texas is strongest in the grad school alumni network.
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Posted on 4/3/13 at 9:54 am to aggressor
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So you don't consider that ability for an Aggie to get another Aggie a job important in evaluating the quality of alumni network? What exactly is more important than that? There are also plenty of social and other strong aspects to the Aggie Network.
I stated why I believe the way I do. I view the sheer broad range of options for companies and locations to get your resume in the door as the most important aspect of an alumni network. If you view the ability for Aggies to help other Aggies get hired as the most important part then fine, that's your view. I've just seen too many, and I'm not implying Aggies are like this because y'all are one of the exceptions, network/family/golf course malt liquor handshake hook-ups for jobs of candidates that don't know their thumb from their dick and were taken over a plethora of over qualified candidates. It really gets to me and it makes the people they work with's jobs harder because they have to babysit this little titty baby.
This post was edited on 4/3/13 at 9:56 am
Posted on 4/3/13 at 9:56 am to BennyAndTheInkJets
Aren't you really saying that a Texas degree is more valued (at least in your industry) than an Aggie degree? Just as, say a Northwestern journalism degree is more valued than a Mizzou journalism degree. Both great schools, but differences exist once you dig down into the weeds.
Because what you're describing isn't really the power of a network. The strength of a network should be judged by how often members "go to bat" for one another. Or how far membership can take you professionally. If, as you concede, members of the Aggie network are the best at getting each other jobs, doesn't that end the discussion regarding network strength? Beyond that, I think you're just speaking to the value of a degree independent of network.
Because what you're describing isn't really the power of a network. The strength of a network should be judged by how often members "go to bat" for one another. Or how far membership can take you professionally. If, as you concede, members of the Aggie network are the best at getting each other jobs, doesn't that end the discussion regarding network strength? Beyond that, I think you're just speaking to the value of a degree independent of network.
This post was edited on 4/3/13 at 9:57 am
Posted on 4/3/13 at 10:00 am to DWag215
In fact, doesn't Texas have the best undergraduate accounting program in the country? And I know their finance program is indisputably better than TAMU's.
Maybe that's why you see horn grads get their feet in the door at a higher rate in your arena.
Maybe that's why you see horn grads get their feet in the door at a higher rate in your arena.
This post was edited on 4/3/13 at 10:03 am
Posted on 4/3/13 at 10:02 am to DWag215
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Aren't you really saying that a Texas degree is more valued (at least in your industry) than an Aggie degree
Not at all, I even like Aggies more than Horns. Spent a lot of time at A&M when I was at Arkansas.
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Because what you're describing isn't really the power of a network. The strength of a network should be judged by how often members "go to bat" for one another. Or how far membership can take you professionally. If, as you concede, members of the Aggie network are the best at getting each other jobs, doesn't that end the discussion regarding network strength?
If it was universally agreed on that those qualities are the strength of a network then yes. But I don't view that as the primary quality for the strength of a network, as do many others I work with. Many others I work with will agree with you if you believe that defines the strength of a network. We'll just have to agree to disagree.
This post was edited on 4/3/13 at 10:13 am
Posted on 4/3/13 at 10:06 am to BennyAndTheInkJets
That's fine. I must say you're the first person I've ever encountered who contends the longhorn network is stronger than the Aggie network.
Posted on 4/3/13 at 10:06 am to DWag215
I don't hire sips. When it comes down to getting shite done, ags do it better and without the premodonna pussy shite that comes with being a tsip. I hire outside of aTm though.
Sips are those guys driving tahoes on 20's that never get dirty that should be driving Prius's.
Sips are those guys driving tahoes on 20's that never get dirty that should be driving Prius's.
Posted on 4/3/13 at 10:10 am to cheezag03
Some of the smartest, most reliable people I work with went to Texas.
It's all relative. Our schools are so giant that you're bound to have diametrically opposed experiences with both alumni bases.
It's all relative. Our schools are so giant that you're bound to have diametrically opposed experiences with both alumni bases.
Posted on 4/3/13 at 10:13 am to DWag215
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In fact, when it comes to accounting, doesn't Texas have the best undergraduate program in the country?
That's what I've heard, but I've learned every single ranking is based on arbitrary parameters so I've just resigned to real world experiences that have built up over time. I wouldn't be speaking (or typing) on this case unless I had enough to build an opinion. Which is why I won't speak on if Texas' accounting program is the best.
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It's all relative.
Truest statement in this thread.
This post was edited on 4/3/13 at 10:14 am
Posted on 4/3/13 at 10:16 am to DWag215
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I must say you're the first person I've ever encountered who contends the longhorn network is stronger than the Aggie network.
This. And that's coming from experiences with lots of non-Aggies who would all favor A&M's former student network over texas'. Intriguing.
Posted on 4/3/13 at 10:17 am to TbirdSpur2010
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This. And that's coming from experiences with lots of non-Aggies who would all favor A&M's former student network over texas'. Intriguing.
Has to be the sample size and focus then, or just your definition of "strength".
This post was edited on 4/3/13 at 10:18 am
Posted on 4/3/13 at 10:19 am to BennyAndTheInkJets
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Has to be the sample size and focus then.
Lived all over the country, so a pretty large sample size
Not trying to refute your points, though, just intrigued. It really is all arbitrary
Posted on 4/3/13 at 10:22 am to BennyAndTheInkJets
Benny,
You are simply mixing quality of degree/reputation with network. As stated there are areas where Texas clearly is stronger than A&M in terms of degrees and there are areas where A&M is stronger. There are many fields that an A&M degree is as strong as any available and you don't need to have an Aggie help you get a job, people see the A&M degree and it puts you at the top of the list. Same for Texas in some areas.
I would also say the Aggie Network isn't a place where incompetents get jobs, it is more of a door opener. It will get you an interview and maybe the benefit of the doubt but if you don't perform it doesn't matter.
You are simply mixing quality of degree/reputation with network. As stated there are areas where Texas clearly is stronger than A&M in terms of degrees and there are areas where A&M is stronger. There are many fields that an A&M degree is as strong as any available and you don't need to have an Aggie help you get a job, people see the A&M degree and it puts you at the top of the list. Same for Texas in some areas.
I would also say the Aggie Network isn't a place where incompetents get jobs, it is more of a door opener. It will get you an interview and maybe the benefit of the doubt but if you don't perform it doesn't matter.
Posted on 4/3/13 at 10:23 am to BennyAndTheInkJets
The short answer, NO !
Too many politics and the fact that Aggies are the butt of all jokes in Texas.
Too many politics and the fact that Aggies are the butt of all jokes in Texas.
Posted on 4/3/13 at 10:24 am to OFWHAP
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When you beat Alabama, the sky is the limit!
Posted on 4/3/13 at 10:26 am to aggressor
I read an aggressor post! 
Brevity, my man. Thank you. God bless you.
Brevity, my man. Thank you. God bless you.
Posted on 4/3/13 at 10:27 am to aggressor
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You are simply mixing quality of degree/reputation with network.
I think I just define network differently, I don't think there is any difference between a general studies degree from A&M or UT. Once you get to majors then it starts splitting as you've pointed out.
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I would also say the Aggie Network isn't a place where incompetents get jobs, it is more of a door opener. It will get you an interview and maybe the benefit of the doubt
Which I've stated. I really think y'all are missing my point on broad reaching. Not from having "University of Texas" on your resume but having someone filter along your resume in more (point UT from my experiences) locations and firms then after that it depends (more help for Aggies from my experiences), but as Third said it's all arbitrary.
I mean we can all agree to disagree. The only winner here is the OP.
This post was edited on 4/3/13 at 10:30 am
Posted on 4/3/13 at 10:30 am to BennyAndTheInkJets
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The only winner here is the OP.
I called 12 pages back on p1
Posted on 4/3/13 at 10:34 am to TbirdSpur2010
Texas Exes are pretty decent overall.
The "sidewalk alumni" however, are worse than any sidewalk alumni from an SEC school. Those few that actually have degrees usually have degrees from other schools, many in Texas.
The "sidewalk alumni" however, are worse than any sidewalk alumni from an SEC school. Those few that actually have degrees usually have degrees from other schools, many in Texas.
Posted on 4/3/13 at 10:35 am to DWag215
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In fact, doesn't Texas have the best undergraduate accounting program in the country?
Thats what I've been hearing since I was an undergrad at aTm in the early 2000's. My field is financial reporting, sec reporting, consolidations, etc in electricity generation so we deal with some derivatives and other complex sales arranagements. I have not come across many sip grads in the workplace other than 1st/2nd year Big 4 auditors who think they're shite don't stink because they have two degrees from the Red McCombs school of business.
Maybe its a Houston vs Dallas thing as Houston is an ag town and I hear Dallas has more sips than Houston.
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