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Posted on 10/16/16 at 2:53 pm to DaleDenton
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I know the east is down
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You're right, the east during Dooley's tenure was just as difficult as the west is today.
do you read
Posted on 10/16/16 at 2:53 pm to rockiee
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I don't think he ever beat the West.
wouldn't surprise me, he sucked.
Posted on 10/16/16 at 2:54 pm to HogFanfromHTown
Christ lol
Posted on 10/16/16 at 2:54 pm to AU24
The SEC West with A&M is a really unfair dynamic to judge Bielema by. If he was in the old 12 team SEC he'd get to play South Carolina every year, and he'd see Kentucky/Vanderbilt twice as often. If overtime broke his way, he would have been 7-1 in conference play last season. As it stands he's likely to finish 5-3 in conference play in back to back seasons which ain't too shabby.
Posted on 10/16/16 at 2:57 pm to AU24
Hogs going to win.
Posted on 10/16/16 at 2:58 pm to TeLeFaWx
Bert > Sweater Idiot
Posted on 10/16/16 at 4:26 pm to DaleDenton
What's butch's excuse?
Posted on 10/16/16 at 4:29 pm to AU24
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When Bret Bielema gets his 20th SEC loss this weekend @ Auburn he will be the fattest non UK/Vandy head coach in SEC history to reach 20 SEC losses.
FIFY
that's actually how I read it.
Posted on 10/16/16 at 4:29 pm to WG_Dawg
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I can't believe that derek dooley or any number of SC coaches havne't done the feat faster.
Dooley didn't quite make it to 20 SEC losses. He finished 4-19 in the SEC
Although the stat is wrong. Ed Orgeron was 3-21 at Ole Miss
Posted on 10/16/16 at 7:56 pm to AU24
Well Jimmy crack corn, and I don't care, and here's why...
First, it would not "make history", unless that term is used very, very loosely. Here's a hint- If you have to remove multiple facts/factors/statistics in order to make some kind of distinction, it's better described as a random fact, or useless trivia. If you want to sound smart, you could call it a "conditional actuality", but be careful with that one- Auburn still has to win.
For the sake of argument, let's pretend it would "make history" if Auburn does, in fact, beat Arkansas on Saturday. I would still be very much pro-Bielema, and here's a few facts (with no teams omitted!) that should be considered, since this is history in the making and whatnot-
First, Bielema took over Arkansas at the absolute lowest point in program history. Anyone paying attention during HarleyGate and the debacle that was Johnelle "Smile" Smith's 2012 attempt at coaching is well aware of how hard Arkansas fell. Coach B was handed a burning dumpster and told turn it into a winning football team. During that same time period, the SECW was/is as strong, if not stronger than it has ever been. Again, this is common knowledge for SEC fans.
Now, because this attempted dig at Bielema cannot exist without excluding two teams- Vandy and Kentucky, it's only fair to note that Bielema has NOT played either team in his tenure at AR. Not once.
So, who has Arkansas pulled from the East? Well, I'm glad you asked!
Year one- 2013-14 (0-2)
South Carolina, while that program was at its all time high, going on to win 11 games that season for the 3rd year in a row.
-AND-
Florida, ranked #18 at the time. Ya, I know, but they had a lot of talent and a great D that year.
Year two, 2014-15 (0-2)
Missouri, who is our permanent East opponent, was picked up in 2014, when they would win the SECE for the second consecutive year, finishing with 11 wins and a second consecutive top 15 finish.
-AND-
Georgia, with Richt at the healm. A team that started and finished the season in the top 10, winning 10 games.
Year three, 2014-15 (2-0)
Missouri- Admittedly, a shell of what they were.
-AND-
Tennessee, in their third year under Butch Jones, finished with 9 wins and ranked #22.
Since his arrival, CBB's teams have played the winner of the SECE or the runner up, or both (2014-15), for two of CBB's three full seasons at Arkansas. The lone exception was last year when Tennessee finished 3rd in the East. Of course, the streak would have stayed alive, had Bielema's Hogs not beaten a good Volunteers team at their house.
I'm not saying that I would want this conditional actuality (see how smart that sounds?), but when you take into account the shear magnitude of the rebuild, combined with the absolute toughest conference schedule in the SEC (especially in years one and two), it's not some mark of shame. Don't agree? Who has had a harder conference schedule (I mean ANY conference)? Who has had a tougher rebuild? I'll hang up and listen.
Even with all that going against him, he's improved his record every year (conference and overall), he's 2-0 in Bowl Games, the media loves him, he's beaten the best paid team in the SEC three years in a row, and he's kept a number in front of "Arkansas" since Week 2.
I'll take it.
Of course, this whole discussion will be meaningless after the Hogs win on Saturday, but someone needed to bring a bit of perspective to this thread.
First, it would not "make history", unless that term is used very, very loosely. Here's a hint- If you have to remove multiple facts/factors/statistics in order to make some kind of distinction, it's better described as a random fact, or useless trivia. If you want to sound smart, you could call it a "conditional actuality", but be careful with that one- Auburn still has to win.
For the sake of argument, let's pretend it would "make history" if Auburn does, in fact, beat Arkansas on Saturday. I would still be very much pro-Bielema, and here's a few facts (with no teams omitted!) that should be considered, since this is history in the making and whatnot-
First, Bielema took over Arkansas at the absolute lowest point in program history. Anyone paying attention during HarleyGate and the debacle that was Johnelle "Smile" Smith's 2012 attempt at coaching is well aware of how hard Arkansas fell. Coach B was handed a burning dumpster and told turn it into a winning football team. During that same time period, the SECW was/is as strong, if not stronger than it has ever been. Again, this is common knowledge for SEC fans.
Now, because this attempted dig at Bielema cannot exist without excluding two teams- Vandy and Kentucky, it's only fair to note that Bielema has NOT played either team in his tenure at AR. Not once.
So, who has Arkansas pulled from the East? Well, I'm glad you asked!
Year one- 2013-14 (0-2)
South Carolina, while that program was at its all time high, going on to win 11 games that season for the 3rd year in a row.
-AND-
Florida, ranked #18 at the time. Ya, I know, but they had a lot of talent and a great D that year.
Year two, 2014-15 (0-2)
Missouri, who is our permanent East opponent, was picked up in 2014, when they would win the SECE for the second consecutive year, finishing with 11 wins and a second consecutive top 15 finish.
-AND-
Georgia, with Richt at the healm. A team that started and finished the season in the top 10, winning 10 games.
Year three, 2014-15 (2-0)
Missouri- Admittedly, a shell of what they were.
-AND-
Tennessee, in their third year under Butch Jones, finished with 9 wins and ranked #22.
Since his arrival, CBB's teams have played the winner of the SECE or the runner up, or both (2014-15), for two of CBB's three full seasons at Arkansas. The lone exception was last year when Tennessee finished 3rd in the East. Of course, the streak would have stayed alive, had Bielema's Hogs not beaten a good Volunteers team at their house.
I'm not saying that I would want this conditional actuality (see how smart that sounds?), but when you take into account the shear magnitude of the rebuild, combined with the absolute toughest conference schedule in the SEC (especially in years one and two), it's not some mark of shame. Don't agree? Who has had a harder conference schedule (I mean ANY conference)? Who has had a tougher rebuild? I'll hang up and listen.
Even with all that going against him, he's improved his record every year (conference and overall), he's 2-0 in Bowl Games, the media loves him, he's beaten the best paid team in the SEC three years in a row, and he's kept a number in front of "Arkansas" since Week 2.
I'll take it.
Of course, this whole discussion will be meaningless after the Hogs win on Saturday, but someone needed to bring a bit of perspective to this thread.
This post was edited on 10/16/16 at 8:14 pm
Posted on 10/16/16 at 8:04 pm to AllHog
Tommy likee, Tommy want wingy!!
Posted on 10/16/16 at 8:07 pm to Robert Duval
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When Bret Bielema gets his 20th SEC loss this weekend @ Auburn he will be the fattest non UK/Vandy head coach in SEC history to reach 20 SEC losses.
I have no argument for this. Well played.
Posted on 10/16/16 at 8:11 pm to AllHog
That was as good as when Michel used to correct the record on Good Times.
Posted on 10/16/16 at 8:16 pm to AU24
Who is Bret?
Posted on 10/16/16 at 8:19 pm to lsufball19
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Dooley didn't quite make it to 20 SEC losses. He finished 4-19 in the SEC Although the stat is wrong. Ed Orgeron was 3-21 at Ole Miss
So by my math, that's three teams we must exclude in order to make this thing a thing. Boy, just when you think a topic couldn't fail any worse, huh?
Posted on 10/16/16 at 8:24 pm to Lionnation1993
L2U
Posted on 10/16/16 at 8:35 pm to AU24
What's Gus's record in the SEC?
Posted on 10/16/16 at 8:53 pm to BamaELCo
He's somewhere around 16-12, but half were from that first season when the ball couldn't bounce any other way but Auburn's.
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