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re: Black Bears Are Going To Screw Around And Get The Death Penalty
Posted on 6/8/17 at 11:12 am to FishFearMe
Posted on 6/8/17 at 11:12 am to FishFearMe
Anybody find it rich for a fan of the second-most penalized school in ncaa history to be lecturing about recruiting violations?
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Posted on 6/8/17 at 11:26 am to texashorn
Not as rich as being 2 wins away from Omaha while other teams choke away being in the winner's bracket.
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Posted on 6/8/17 at 12:50 pm to CGSC Lobotomy
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Not as rich as being 2 wins away from Omaha while other teams choke away being in the winner's bracket.
Posted on 6/8/17 at 1:01 pm to FishFearMe
Yeah, barney Farrar has nothing to lose. He's already been canned by om. He will be the downfall of hugh freeze. Mark my words. This is going to end bad for ole miss. I don't blame them for taking their chances instead of firing freeze and admitting guilt. It's kinda like a convict that is on the run, what the point of turning yourself in? Make them do their job and come get you. Same deal.
Posted on 6/8/17 at 2:38 pm to AshLSU
Why do people keep saying if it's a slap-on-the-wrist then it's anything goes and recruiting?
Are people that dumb it's been anything goes in recruiting for decades now and anyone who knows anything about recruiting already knows this.
Rampant cheating is going to happen until players get paid legally and that's just a fact and there's nothing wrong with it. Schools are going to cheat players are going to cheat cheaters will prosper and that's just how it is that's how it's going to be and the sooner people come to this realization the better they'll be
Are people that dumb it's been anything goes in recruiting for decades now and anyone who knows anything about recruiting already knows this.
Rampant cheating is going to happen until players get paid legally and that's just a fact and there's nothing wrong with it. Schools are going to cheat players are going to cheat cheaters will prosper and that's just how it is that's how it's going to be and the sooner people come to this realization the better they'll be
Posted on 6/8/17 at 2:49 pm to Craig86
quote:If you get a slap-on-the-wrist after committing Academic Fraud + allowing your Asst Athletic Director to facilitate Booster/Recruit interaction on numerous occasions then what's to stop any other program from doing the same?
Why do people keep saying if it's a slap-on-the-wrist then it's anything goes and recruiting?
Are people that dumb it's been anything goes in recruiting for decades now and anyone who knows anything about recruiting already knows this.
Rampant cheating is going to happen until players get paid legally and that's just a fact and there's nothing wrong with it. Schools are going to cheat players are going to cheat cheaters will prosper and that's just how it is that's how it's going to be and the sooner people come to this realization the better they'll be
Barney Farrar was at the core of your Athletic Department. He created a systematic operation where he matched specific Boosters to top dog recruits and made sure they received impermissible benefits in exchange for an LOI in February. He was strategically placed in that position to ensure Freeze acquired the desired results on NSD. Freeze commended Barney on how much he "poured" into recruiting.
Posted on 6/8/17 at 4:01 pm to cardboardboxer
SMU didn't get the death penalty b/c what they were doing was so bad. They got it b/c they had already been caught multiple times and gave the NCAA the finger as they kept doing it.
That is why Ole Miss is playing a dangerous game. It's not the violations that could ruin them, it's the flagrant contempt they are responding with.
That is why Ole Miss is playing a dangerous game. It's not the violations that could ruin them, it's the flagrant contempt they are responding with.
Posted on 6/8/17 at 4:02 pm to cardboardboxer
quote:Pretty much this.
The difference between those programs and Ole Miss is those are top programs in at least one sport while Ole Miss isn't. So if Ole Miss gets the worst punishment we have seen since SMU it won't be because they did the worst thing since SMU, it will be because this sport likes to have whipping boys.
The NCAA is a corrupt bureaucracy with an unbridled sense of self-righteousness. Expecting them to credibly enforce the endless regulations they have created is pure folly.
Posted on 6/8/17 at 4:05 pm to CGSC Lobotomy
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Not as rich as being 2 wins away from Omaha while other teams choke away being in the winner's bracket.
that's going to leave a markPosted on 6/8/17 at 4:13 pm to cardboardboxer
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What Miami did was WAY worse. WAY. And they walked because the NCAA fricked up the process.
What Penn St did to protect the program was WAY worse than anything ever, but no death penalty came.
What North Carolina did undermined the entire lie of the amateurism of the sport, and it looks like they will walk.
The difference between those programs and Ole Miss is those are top programs in at least one sport while Ole Miss isn't. So if Ole Miss gets the worst punishment we have seen since SMU it won't be because they did the worst thing since SMU, it will be because this sport likes to have whipping boys.
I'm down with this line of thought.
Posted on 6/8/17 at 4:16 pm to FearlessFreep
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Pretty much this.
The NCAA is a corrupt bureaucracy with an unbridled sense of self-righteousness. Expecting them to credibly enforce the endless regulations they have created is pure folly.
In all fairness to NCAA they gave OM every opportunity to ease the punishment. The fact that they continued to blatantly cheat while the NCAA was in town throws out there whole Exemplary Cooperation ploy. The fact that Freeze aaand His staff continued to lie to the 2016 and 2017 classes, saying this was all on Nutt infuriated them even further. The fact that Freeze has prior run-ins with the NCAA under Orge doesn't help his case as well. The fact that OM claims that Farrar was a rogue agent when Draft Night 2016 showed us all that OM has a program in place to steer improper payments to athletes via Farrar is damning. The fact that OM continues to further finger everybody else but themselves as fault for this shite is hilarious. There "no one can monitor everything" mantra is them telling the NCAA everybody does it.
And now OM sends the message to the NCAA that if their response is not accepted and these hostilities end they will unleash their redacted boosters on them? The NCAA says "bring it!" They are made up of nothing but lawyers and they have a humongous war chest to feed that beast.
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Posted on 6/8/17 at 4:47 pm to FishFearMe
I don't think the Webals will get the Death Penalty. They will get what they self-imposed, which is quite a bit, and the NCAA will probably double it. That alone would be enough to cripple them for several years.
It is up to them if they want to keep Freezus. If the Ole Miss fans still support the guy after all this, it is a little mind boggling.
It is up to them if they want to keep Freezus. If the Ole Miss fans still support the guy after all this, it is a little mind boggling.
Posted on 6/8/17 at 5:08 pm to Craig86
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Rampant cheating is going to happen until players get paid legally and that's just a fact
you sir, are being naïve. getting paid "legally" will not stop cheaters or even slo it down. why accept the "legal" pay when you can get more, much more from a different school.
and setting up a "legal pay system" might run half the colleges out of fielding football teams. many, if not most (numbers wise) schools lose their arse on football already. it very well could set up a system with only about 50 or 60 schools fielding teams (altho there may be more with "club teams").
what this "legal paying" players does is firmly establish college football as the minor league system of the NFL with the NFL not paying a fricking dime. I think it will change our system so much that it will turn off lots of fans. imo, if you are a fricking pro, take that LSU emblem off of your uniform, your are NOT LSU; just a hired gun.
Posted on 6/8/17 at 5:41 pm to FishFearMe
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They ought to just fire Freeze, shut up, and take their medicine.
That would be the smart thing to do.
Well, listening to the advice of their rivals is certainly NOT the smart thing to do.
They should get some fairly serious penalties for what they've admitted to doing, and more serious if they're found guilty of what they are denying, but I don't get any great thrill from seeing one school made an example when others do just as much and get off scot-free. They shouldn't get a harsher penalty than Alabama, USC or some other blue blood would get for doing the same thing, even though we all know they probably will. It's one of the bad things about college sports.
Posted on 6/8/17 at 7:25 pm to FishFearMe
After the NCAA did literally nothing about Cam Newton and with the slap on the wrist Miami got I don't think any school is actually scared anymore of a serious sanction for cheating. The PR hit is more worrisome than the NCAA. It's a brave new world.
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Posted on 6/8/17 at 10:17 pm to Drizzt
Every school cheats to get players. Anyone who doesn't know this is dumb.
Posted on 6/8/17 at 10:28 pm to Craig86
Probably true, but only two or three schools in the SEC are allowed to cheat uncontrollably, and Ole Miss ain't one of them.
Posted on 6/8/17 at 11:05 pm to Reservoir dawg
You really think this?
Posted on 6/8/17 at 11:42 pm to Craig86
LSU paid Leo 10 large ones and got away with it. That proves the point.
Posted on 6/9/17 at 7:18 am to Craig86
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