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re: Bill Connelly Ranks the SEC (SBNation)

Posted on 8/18/17 at 10:13 pm to
Posted by viceman
Huntsville, AL
Member since Aug 2016
30688 posts
Posted on 8/18/17 at 10:13 pm to
quote:

They finished 5th in the country last year in total D, ahead of LSU (10th). Bama was tied for #1.


ok my bad, UF had a better defense than LSU. I guess I was just going by LSU's performance against Bama vs UF's against Bama, but did not look at the season overall.
Posted by SummerOfGeorge
Member since Jul 2013
102699 posts
Posted on 8/18/17 at 10:20 pm to
They are preseason figures meaning he and everyone know they are prone to estimation and input differences once the season begins.

The system is truly created to take real season data and input it. So, this is a fun guess, but until games start it's just an educated guess.
Posted by AshLSU
Member since Nov 2015
12868 posts
Posted on 8/18/17 at 10:26 pm to
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Hate to say it, well actually I love to say it, but Auburn being in Tier 2 is a disgrace.


Honestly, niether Auburn or LSU would be considered "tier 2" if Bama had not been so god damn dominating the last 6 years or so. All three would be ranked as "tier 1". But it is what it is and nobody can question just how insanely good Bama has been lately. Unfortunately, Auburn nor LSU have had that kind of a run so you have to bump Alabama above them.
Posted by JamalSanders
On a boat
Member since Jul 2015
12135 posts
Posted on 8/18/17 at 10:31 pm to
quote:

 don't get why Auburn is Tier 2 . . . 

They have the same coach (8-5, 7-6, & 8-5 the last three years), an inexperienced QB, and the same defense (28th nationally). 


Return 9/11 starters on defense that improved by leaps and bounds over the prior year.

Return 7/11 starters on offense. Would be 9/11 but two of last year's starters have been replaced by players the coaches think are better.

This is along with having one of if not the best special teams units in the country.

I'm not ready to crown Auburn yet but to think this will be a run of the mill 8-4 team is asinine.
Posted by JesusQuintana
St Louis
Member since Oct 2013
33366 posts
Posted on 8/18/17 at 10:34 pm to
quote:

They are preseason figures meaning he and everyone know they are prone to estimation and input differences once the season begins.

The system is truly created to take real season data and input it. So, this is a fun guess, but until games start it's just an educated guess.


Right.

You can't say they are completely meaningless, but until you get a few weeks of data from this season they are pretty flawed.
Posted by BASED
yamamma the OG
Member since May 2012
3354 posts
Posted on 8/18/17 at 10:34 pm to
I tend to agree with you here but it seems like every time auburn gets a lot of preseason hype they fall on their face. I'm not ready to crown Stidham as the man yet either. There's a big difference between playing Big 12 defenses every week and playing the Bama's and LSU's of the world.

We'll see but I'm gonna temper my expectations on auburn until I see them win a big game early on
Posted by sugatowng
Look at my bling Bitches
Member since Nov 2006
25331 posts
Posted on 8/18/17 at 11:29 pm to
Come on...we're below Kentucky??
Posted by Space Cowboy
Member since Oct 2016
4079 posts
Posted on 8/18/17 at 11:43 pm to
quote:

Tier 1
1. Alabama

Tier 2
2. Auburn
3. LSU


However, this may be the year that Tier 2 has caught up to Tier 1.
Posted by Reservoir dawg
Member since Oct 2013
14099 posts
Posted on 8/18/17 at 11:51 pm to
quote:

Come on...we're below Kentucky??


Possibly, or about even with Kentucky.
Posted by Space Cowboy
Member since Oct 2016
4079 posts
Posted on 8/19/17 at 12:05 am to
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ok my bad, UF had a better defense than LSU. I guess I was just going by LSU's performance against Bama vs UF's against Bama, but did not look at the season overall.


That's only because LSU had one uncharacteristic bad game against A&M. Our players quit because we had such a large lead. Without that one bad game, we finish ahead of Florida.

In any event, regardless of the rankings, LSU overall had a better defense than Florida last season. In fact, LSU gained 432 yards to Florida's 289 yards on that Florida defense but fumbled the ball away 3 times inside the 10 and then Guice misunderstood the final play of the game and cut the wrong way to lose to Florida in a game we beat them all over the field. That was a fluke of fluke game.
Posted by sugatowng
Look at my bling Bitches
Member since Nov 2006
25331 posts
Posted on 8/19/17 at 12:26 am to
We aren't going to be that bad...we were inconsistent last year and didn't finish games. We have a better OVERALL team this season. Guess we'll see...I got us at 9 wins
Posted by BowlJackson
Birmingham, AL
Member since Sep 2013
52881 posts
Posted on 8/19/17 at 12:37 am to
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I don't get why Auburn is Tier 2 . . .

They have the same coach (8-5, 7-6, & 8-5 the last three years)


Same HC who is the second most accomplished in the conference.
But added a new OC to address the biggest issue that has led to a couple disappointing seasons and held the team back the past couple of years (the passing game). A relatively inexperienced coach who's already shown talent is now showing growth and maturation. That's a big deal.

quote:

an inexperienced QB


A highly talented QB with an NFL caliber arm. Inexperienced, but has shown a lot in his experience (talent, maturity, poise, good decision making)

Bama nearly won a NC last season with a true freshman QB last season. And Hurts had much less experience surrounding him on his offense to help him out than Stidham will have at AU this season.
And the season before Bama did win a NC with a QB who was also less experienced than Stidham, and less talented as well.

Experience at QB is nice, but it's not an automatic killer of otherwise championship caliber teams.

And if it doesn't work out with Stidham, that's okay because we have the best backup in the SEC. A QB who is experienced. White may not have an NFL arm like Stidham, but he's proven himself to be very accurate and highly efficient. And by all accounts has improved a good deal over the off-season himself. He can be a game manager and less us to wins. He's a lot like McElroy was at Bama.

And speaking of experience, our OL has over 100 combined starts (2nd most in the SEC by a small margin). And the most talented in the SEC going by recruiting rankings.

Return two very good, experienced, and proven RBs to take pressure of the inexperienced QB. One of whom is a workhorse who can carry the team if need be.

WRs are a parallel to Stidham. Inexperienced, but it's a unit that's absolutely loaded with talent. Huge upgrade over last season. Multiple pass catchers with NFL talent. The most talented group at AU since at least 2004. I think even more so, but they'll have to prove it.

Between the new OC with an Air Raid background, and the big-time talent upgrades in Stidham and the WRs... the passing game will be very fun to watch. Very interesting to keep an eye on at least....
And if it doesn't work out like planned through the air, go back to what's proven to work, Malzahn's rushing offense. Feed Pettway and Kerryon.

This team was easily on pace for 10 wins with a bowl win before injuries derailed that. And showed potential for even more without some coaching mistakes in the first few weeks. With more depth that is high quality (and more overall talent), and lessons presumably learned on the coaching end, there's no reason to think we can't do it this season.

quote:

and the same defense (28th nationally). 


7th in scoring, which is what really matters.

And you just got done knocking the QB for inexperience... well here's your experience. Return 9/11 starters and the two replacements are equally as talented. Tons of talent and depth.
DL, LB, and DB units are all ranked in the top 3 or 4 in the SEC.
Year 2 under the DC.

No reason to think the defense won't improve.

quote:


A&M and LSU have better records over the last three years and just as much talent.


Auburn is 2-1 against LSU the last 3 years.

And A&M is only 1 game better over that period, LSU only 2 games better, so its not like there's a huge gap

Auburn has also finished ahead of A&M in the SEC 2 of those 3 years and has the exact same overall SEC record.

quote:

It is all really based on one inexperienced QB? Nothing else?


TL;DR -

Nope
Posted by Reservoir dawg
Member since Oct 2013
14099 posts
Posted on 8/19/17 at 1:01 am to
quote:

We aren't going to be that bad...we were inconsistent last year and didn't finish games. We have a better OVERALL team this season. Guess we'll see...I got us at 9 wins


I didn't mean you were going to be bad. I y'all played Kentucky, I think it would be a toss up.
Posted by Bham4Tide
In a Van down by the River
Member since Feb 2011
22087 posts
Posted on 8/19/17 at 6:11 am to
Damn, that was a lot of typing and research for a simple mid-page comment on how I didn't THINK (you know opinions right?) Auburn was a Tier TWO team yet.

But . . .



I ain't got time for that . . .

Ha.
Posted by ksayetiger
Centenary Gents
Member since Jul 2007
68275 posts
Posted on 8/19/17 at 6:25 am to
quote:

Hate to say it, well actually I love to say it, but Auburn being in Tier 2 is a disgrace.





I agree. They are tier 3 at best.
Posted by DrewDawg13
Athens
Member since Apr 2015
3494 posts
Posted on 8/19/17 at 7:17 am to
I would put Auburn, LSU, UGA and UF all in tier 2. To suggest LSU or Auburn is in a whole different tier right now is crazy.
Posted by VFL1800FPD
Nashville, TN
Member since Aug 2012
9056 posts
Posted on 8/19/17 at 8:12 am to
quote:

I would put Auburn, LSU, UGA and UF all in tier 2.


Tennessee beat UF and UGA last season. If they're in tier 2 so are the VOLS.
Posted by DrewDawg13
Athens
Member since Apr 2015
3494 posts
Posted on 8/19/17 at 8:17 am to
quote:

Tennessee beat UF and UGA last season. If they're in tier 2 so are the VOLS.


You don't really believe that do you?? Y'all lost a lot from last year.
Posted by SummerOfGeorge
Member since Jul 2013
102699 posts
Posted on 8/19/17 at 8:26 am to
quote:

Come on...we're below Kentucky??


About the same, yes
Posted by VFL1800FPD
Nashville, TN
Member since Aug 2012
9056 posts
Posted on 8/19/17 at 8:28 am to
You had the 108th ranked scoring offense last season, lost 3/5 o linemen, your best playmaker, and have the same shitty OC. So...what makes UGA tier 2 if we aren't?

The losses for the vols are significant but als way overblown. We lost the most starts due to injury last season and a ton of guys are coming back. We have plenty of talent left. Floridas defense is being touted very highly due to the same situation.
This post was edited on 8/19/17 at 8:31 am
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