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re: Big XII Meeting With Expansion Candidates
Posted on 12/12/14 at 12:51 pm to NaturalStateReb
Posted on 12/12/14 at 12:51 pm to NaturalStateReb
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We might as well just take Notre Dame and Boise State, too.
if Notre Dame wants in the SEC its a big fat HELL YES MUTHA frickA as everyone laughs on their way to the bank.
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Posted on 12/12/14 at 12:51 pm to mizzoukills
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Dr RC...I wish you would actually read what I posted. I never said that they are going to the ACC. I said the rumor is that they are seeking admission.
Take your own advise brah.
I simply stated there is no chance in hell the ACC would ever go for Baylor.
and BTW, you still have not provided any kind of source for your made up rumor about Baylor other than the ultra vague "I heard it on the radio". You can't name the show, the hosts, or the station yet you want us to believe that ish?
Posted on 12/12/14 at 12:51 pm to Cheese Grits
Edit: Looks like Kentucky has made a point to ramp up research spending, and they're doing it.
This post was edited on 12/12/14 at 12:55 pm
Posted on 12/12/14 at 1:01 pm to Cheese Grits
I've already addressed how Mizzou fell behind the curve on how Federal funds are awarded and accounted due to internal handling. This was addressed a couple years ago and lagging indicators wound not have seen the results.
Another issue MU had were directives to direct funds to other schools in the system. This was done for political reasons, but had also been addressed (at least in a small part). MU is part of a statewide system, and those figures don't account for funds shifted to other schools. The other problem is that Missouri S&T, in any other situation would have been a part of a states flagship school. When they expanded their scope to include engineering and the other sciences it shifted resources. When discussing federal research dollars this should be taken into account. And it is by the high level powers that be because I've heard our Chancellor state that during a AAU review process when I still was there.
I will say that I worked hand-in-hand with teams from Rolla, and at least at that level we considered ourselves one unit. When you get to the higher levels is where you see greed and politicing.
Another issue MU had were directives to direct funds to other schools in the system. This was done for political reasons, but had also been addressed (at least in a small part). MU is part of a statewide system, and those figures don't account for funds shifted to other schools. The other problem is that Missouri S&T, in any other situation would have been a part of a states flagship school. When they expanded their scope to include engineering and the other sciences it shifted resources. When discussing federal research dollars this should be taken into account. And it is by the high level powers that be because I've heard our Chancellor state that during a AAU review process when I still was there.
I will say that I worked hand-in-hand with teams from Rolla, and at least at that level we considered ourselves one unit. When you get to the higher levels is where you see greed and politicing.
Posted on 12/12/14 at 1:07 pm to BreakawayZou83
I will agree with this. UK it seems has done a great job. I hope that someday more SEC schools will gain membership, and it seems Kentucky is well on its way.
Is this money coming in USDA grants? As the AAU doesn't look favorably at these grants (for some reason that is beyond me), that would be a hindrance to future AAU membership.
Is this money coming in USDA grants? As the AAU doesn't look favorably at these grants (for some reason that is beyond me), that would be a hindrance to future AAU membership.
Posted on 12/12/14 at 1:16 pm to SEC. 593
You got bowtie leading the way for Mizzou. Yall are in great hands.
Posted on 12/12/14 at 1:32 pm to Cheese Grits
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Kansas basketball is a brand and a very valuable one at that. Forbes magazine lists them at #2 in their 2014 rankings LINK
No one takes seriously a survey that ranks U of L basketball ahead of Kansas, Kentucky, Indiana, North Carolina or Duke.
Posted on 12/12/14 at 1:59 pm to cas4t
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Yall need to take this shite to the MSB
Feel free to check in on another thread.
Posted on 12/12/14 at 2:13 pm to NaturalStateReb
Instead of only adding 2 teams to get to 12, the BigXII should add 6 teams and get to 16 first. They could keep their tiered media rights (which Texas and BYU) would want, get the bowl and championship revenue that they are missing (which offsets the extra division of revenues somewhat), and protect the conference as a whole if Texas and whoever decide to take 4 teams to the PAC-12 or wherever (which is protection that the smaller schools need).
Add BYU and their network (find a way to make scheduling work), Colorado State, and whichever New Mexico team carries that state (the population isn't much different than WVU). Then add Cincinnati (partner for WVU), Memphis (the bridge to the east), and Tulane (contiguous footprint).
Each of those teams would agree to the current rights setup. You protect against a power move immediately breaking up the conference. You add three contiguous states to the footprint and do the best you can to mitigate WVUs location.
Add BYU and their network (find a way to make scheduling work), Colorado State, and whichever New Mexico team carries that state (the population isn't much different than WVU). Then add Cincinnati (partner for WVU), Memphis (the bridge to the east), and Tulane (contiguous footprint).
Each of those teams would agree to the current rights setup. You protect against a power move immediately breaking up the conference. You add three contiguous states to the footprint and do the best you can to mitigate WVUs location.
This post was edited on 12/12/14 at 2:15 pm
Posted on 12/12/14 at 2:18 pm to CrazyTigerFan
But that cuts down the piece of the pie to crumbs. No way that happens or anything like it. I think they need to fully dissolve. Not everyone can be winner in the Game of Th... I mean conference realignment.
Posted on 12/12/14 at 2:31 pm to Farmer1906
quote:I don't know about that. It may not result in a net gain of tens of millions of dollars per member institution, but that money isn't distributed evenly under their current structure anyway. Texas, Oklahoma, and BYU would control their 3rd tier network rights. And the smaller schools should all be willing to sacrifice some amount of money to ensure that they'd be members of a conference which couldn't dissolve overnight.
But that cuts down the piece of the pie to crumbs.
1) Based on the article in the original post of this thread, they're currently missing out on an estimated 30-50 million ($20 million conference championship game, then "NY6" and total bowl money).
2) In terms of television rights, which would eventually be renegotiated, adding CSU and Cincinnati adds Colorado and Ohio. Memphis and Tulane give Tennessee and Louisiana. BYU has its own network, which is allegedly "national" in scope, so those eyeballs have to have some value when negotiating for the games which would be on the conference's broadcasts. New Mexico is a small population state, but no smaller than West Virginia.
Posted on 12/12/14 at 2:42 pm to Glorious
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Texas single handedly wrecked that conference
Yes and no.
Yes = internally, but B12 would still be around in it's 2009 form if it was only about internal issues
No = externally, the B1G taking Nebraska is what wrecked the conference. If the B1G had not made a move, the Huskers and Buffs would still be in the B12.
Posted on 12/12/14 at 2:46 pm to CrazyTigerFan
I remember when Neinas was interim Commissioner he said their TV partners told them that ND was the only school that would add value. So if they can't get them the only way they could expand and not lower per school payout is to pluck a P5 sschool from another conference. Thank god we gotout of that hell hole and into the best cconference. 
Posted on 12/12/14 at 2:46 pm to BigBlue8Titles
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No one takes seriously a survey that ranks U of L basketball ahead of Kansas, Kentucky, Indiana, North Carolina or Duke.
It is not a survey, it is a analysis based on income and revenue streams. If you do not understand this then you do not understand the dynamics of YUM on the bottom line. Rupp has 2,000 more seats but with no corporate boxes and no liquor sales it generates about 10 to 20 million a year less in revenue.
Posted on 12/12/14 at 3:49 pm to SEC. 593
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When you get to the higher levels is where you see greed and politicing.
Which is what my overall point was. Many SEC schools are good and many are getting better but the SEC is a whole is a minority voting block and it is moving uphill to get them added. IVY, B1G, and PAC already have strong voting blocks and when combined make it easy to get certain schools in and leave others out.
To get voted in you need 75% or 62 x .75 = 46.5 or 47 votes
To get the boot you need 75% or 62 x .75 = 46.5 or 47 votes
Currently the SEC has 4 members and that is not exactly a position of power from the voting perspective. If the B1G, PAC, and IVY vote as a block you are already at a simple majority and getting neighbor schools easily gets you over the 75% threshold.
Again, not saying Missouri is bad, just saying not in a position of political and voting strength especially for where they are at this point compared to where they were 100 years ago.
Posted on 12/12/14 at 4:14 pm to Farmer1906
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But that cuts down the piece of the pie to crumbs.
This is the issue with realignment, You are not growing the pool but shrinking it so the slices of the pie gets bigger. It is a true case of diminishing returns.
The Value of Twelve
Crossing this barrier gets you a CCG which means you get a value kicker from the CCG payout. In the case of the B1G adding Nebraska not only got you the value of Nebraska but it also got you an extra roughly 2 million dollars per school per year just for the CCG. Going from 11 to 12 reduces the conference average by 2 million dollars per school which lowers the barrier to entry.
The Value Beyond Twelve
Crossing this barrier means no bonus value for the CCG so the average is the threshold for any teams beyond 12. Replacing Nebraska and Colorado with Louisville and West Virginia in 2010 made sense because the B12 kept the added value of the CCG and both Louisville and West Virginia exceeded the average of the 10 teams at that time. Adding TCU and West Virginia 2 years later made no sense as now you were at 8 and had no CCG bonus money.
At this point any 2 schools added to the B12 just need to bring a value of around 1 million dollars below the conference average. Sure Texas and Oklahoma would bitch but they bitched before and lost better teams that could have been added earlier. Now it is just plugging the leaks and getting schools that make the average. The issue now is none of those teams may be left on the board due to the law of diminishing returns.
BYU gets mentioned a lot but they are not Notre Dame and they will not play on Sundays. With Utah in the PAC the best you would be getting was #2 in the state long term in a state that is not crazy about college sports.
Cincinnati makes the most sense but they are a project. Ohio is a big state and carving out a #2 spot is worth something. The Bearcats also get you in the eastern time zone and a partner that leaves West Virginia less isolated. You could make them another Louisville but it means investing in facilities and a payoff window of at least a decade.
Everything else seems to start below there but if the B12 just wanted to add some easy wins and raise the academic profile then Tulane and Rice gets them to 12 and they bite the bullet on what they lose in media revenue.
Posted on 12/14/14 at 11:00 pm to Cheese Grits
On the next expansion, and I believe there will be, sixteen teams in each power conference will be the key. This is why Texas will never want to expand the Big XII as they want to keep open their options to the PAC 12 or anywhere they can be relevant.
If conferences go to 16 teams ( as many expect), where is the PAC 12 going to expand their print? The Big XII is the only viable candidate for them. The B1G only needs two. The ACC needs one while making Notre Dame a full member. The SEC needs two. Pac 12 needs four. The Big XII needs six.
The Big XII is the proverbial odd man out and the conference that gets cannibalized.
Texas for a long time was considered the prize conferences wanted but their track record of destabilizing conferences makes choosing them risky. Texas will attempt to attach what many consider too many conditions to their move.
If conferences go to 16 teams ( as many expect), where is the PAC 12 going to expand their print? The Big XII is the only viable candidate for them. The B1G only needs two. The ACC needs one while making Notre Dame a full member. The SEC needs two. Pac 12 needs four. The Big XII needs six.
The Big XII is the proverbial odd man out and the conference that gets cannibalized.
Texas for a long time was considered the prize conferences wanted but their track record of destabilizing conferences makes choosing them risky. Texas will attempt to attach what many consider too many conditions to their move.
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