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Posted on 1/14/14 at 9:45 am to Gump4heisman
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Mason is a good back and not saying he isn't. However, his stats in a run happy offense like that is about like raving over David Klingler's passing yards,
I would say more like the same reason that Army and Navy teams are constantly in the top Rush Yds/game each year. Bound to happen when you run the ball 70% of the time.
Posted on 1/14/14 at 9:47 am to NYCAuburn
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if anyone between the two in the op benefited from a system, it was ingram
In a system that was literally almost perfectly balanced 50% run/50% pass? Makes no sense.
This year Auburn passed the ball only 29% of the time.
Posted on 1/14/14 at 9:48 am to AuburnTigers
Ingram 2009:
Attempts-271 Yards-1658 Avg per carry-6.1
Mason 2013:
Attempts-317 Yards-1816 Avg per carry-5.7
Mason had more TD but he also had 46 more carries. Every carry is a chance to score.
I'm going with Ingram - and especially so if they are both put into the same offensive scheme for a true apples to apples comparison.
Attempts-271 Yards-1658 Avg per carry-6.1
Mason 2013:
Attempts-317 Yards-1816 Avg per carry-5.7
Mason had more TD but he also had 46 more carries. Every carry is a chance to score.
I'm going with Ingram - and especially so if they are both put into the same offensive scheme for a true apples to apples comparison.
Posted on 1/14/14 at 9:49 am to BamaDoc14
Auburn 4596 attempts for an avg of 328.3
Ohio St 4321 attempts for an avg of 308.6
Not a great deal of difference.
Ohio St 4321 attempts for an avg of 308.6
Not a great deal of difference.
Posted on 1/14/14 at 10:00 am to AuburnTigers
Overlooking the fact that this is a pretty obvious troll post, I think it should be fairly easy to substantiate which back is better using actual statistics.
I'll make the case for Mason:
SEC RANK ALL-TIME: SINGLE SEASON
#1 Total Scoring (150)
#1 Rushing TDs (23)
#1 Total TDs (25)
#2 All-Purpose Yardage (2374)
#3 Total Rushing Yardage (1813)
#10 All-Purpose Yardage Per Game Avg (169.6)
#13 Rushing Yards Per Game Avg (129.7)
SEC RANK ALL-TIME: CAREER
#9 Rushing Yards per attempt (5.77)
These are all categories in which Mason finished above Ingram.
I'll make the case for Mason:
SEC RANK ALL-TIME: SINGLE SEASON
#1 Total Scoring (150)
#1 Rushing TDs (23)
#1 Total TDs (25)
#2 All-Purpose Yardage (2374)
#3 Total Rushing Yardage (1813)
#10 All-Purpose Yardage Per Game Avg (169.6)
#13 Rushing Yards Per Game Avg (129.7)
SEC RANK ALL-TIME: CAREER
#9 Rushing Yards per attempt (5.77)
These are all categories in which Mason finished above Ingram.
This post was edited on 1/14/14 at 10:02 am
Posted on 1/14/14 at 10:02 am to AuburnTigers
Tre la soul
Posted on 1/14/14 at 10:02 am to FearlessFreep
And no hardware to show for it. Silly argument.
Posted on 1/14/14 at 10:04 am to Rabern57
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As was Ingram winning the Heisman.
Mason Averaged more yards per attempt. Even counting last year in Loeffler's garbage offense.
One of my favorite quotes is "Lies, damned lies, & statistics..."
In their careers, Mason averaged 5.8 YPC and Ingram 5.7; if you include yards from scrimmage (includes receiving yards), Ingram leads 6.2 to 6.0...and Mason actually averaged more YPC in Loeffler's "garbage offense" than he did this year (5.9 to 5.7)...
In their best years, Ingram averaged 6.1 YPC and 6.6 YFS (2009) and Mason averaged 5.7 YPC and 6.0 YFS (2013)...
Ingram deserved the Heisman in 2009 but a couple of the other finalists that year would've been equally worthy as well; there weren't any QBs that year puttin' up outlandish totals as they have in the years since...and if Mason had gotten any publicity earlier this year and Winston hadn't put up quite the numbers that he did, Mason would've been equally deserving of the Heisman this year...
Both backs had great college careers...most Bama fans will prefer Ingram and most Auburn fans Mason. Both backs put up similar numbers so statistics won't tell the tale in this case...all you can base it on is preference/opinion...
LINK (Ingram's College Stats)
LINK (Mason's College Stats)
This post was edited on 1/14/14 at 10:09 am
Posted on 1/14/14 at 10:07 am to nc14
quote:I think the OP asked which was the better RB, not which RB played on more successful teams, or which player faced weaker competition for an award based solely on opinion.
And no hardware to show for it. Silly argument.
Based on raw statistics and late-season performance, a player with Mason's 2013 resume would have won the Heisman with relative ease in 2009. Reversing the situation, a player with Ingram's 2009 stats wouldn't have gotten an invite this year.
Posted on 1/14/14 at 10:08 am to FearlessFreep
Ingram had more 10 more career rushing TDs as well as many more rushing yards. Also, Ingram had 60 rec for 4 Tds as opposed to Mason's 19 for 1 TD.
Ingram = complete back.
Put Ingram in Gus's run happy system and his stats only go up.
Ingram = complete back.
Put Ingram in Gus's run happy system and his stats only go up.
Posted on 1/14/14 at 10:09 am to nc14
I consider an sec championship hardware, but whatever
Posted on 1/14/14 at 10:10 am to OldPete
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One of my favorite quotes is "Lies, damned lies, & statistics..."
In their careers, Mason averaged 5.8 YPC and Ingram 5.7; if you include yards from scrimmage (includes receiving yards), Ingram leads 6.2 to 6.0...and Mason actually averaged more YPC in Loeffler's "garbage offense" than he did this year (5.9 to 5.7)...
In their best years, Ingram averaged 6.1 YPC and 6.6 YFS (2009) and Mason averaged 5.7 YPC and 6.0 YFS (2013)...
Ingram deserved the Heisman in 2009 but a couple of the other finalists that year would've been equally worthy as well; there weren't any QBs that year puttin' up outlandish totals as they have in the years since...and if Mason had gotten any publicity earlier this year and Winston hadn't put up quite the numbers that he did, Mason would've been equally deserving of the Heisman this year...
Both backs had great college careers...most Bama fans will prefer Ingram and most Auburn fans Mason. Both backs put up similar numbers so statistics won't tell the tale in this case...all you can base it on is preference/opinion...
LINK (Ingram's College Stats)
LINK (Mason's College Stats)
Who do you think you are coming in here with meaningful statistics and level headed analysis!? Are you lost??
Posted on 1/14/14 at 10:12 am to BamaDoc14
If Tre went to bama, the gumps would be saying Tre was the best back......."and it isn't even close".
Posted on 1/14/14 at 10:14 am to MrAUTigers
quote:That penis envy is showing again, pal.
If Tre went to bama, the gumps would be saying Tre was the best back......."and it isn't even close".
Posted on 1/14/14 at 10:15 am to Gnar Cat21
True. I was just trying to point out it's a silly argument. Next we will be breaking down one play versus another without consideration to opponent, down and distance, quarter, month, weather... They are both good, no way to determine which is better - at least no way to convince anyone here to change their opinion, or bias.
Posted on 1/14/14 at 10:16 am to coachcrisp
tre benefited from the system.
This post was edited on 1/14/14 at 10:17 am
Posted on 1/14/14 at 10:18 am to nc14
Might be interesting to see yards after contact.
Posted on 1/14/14 at 10:18 am to Gump4heisman
Posted on 1/14/14 at 10:18 am to Gump4heisman
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tre benefited from the system.
Yeah, ask Saints fans about what a tremendous back Ingram is. It must be the "system" he is in, huh? Ouch! LINK
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