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re: Better NFL quarterbacks: Auburn or Georgia?

Posted on 9/24/15 at 8:31 am to
Posted by Maddness
Huntsville, AL
Member since Jan 2013
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Posted on 9/24/15 at 8:31 am to
Hey man, no need to be angry. Not trying to offend you, just making a factual comment.

I like your sig pic btw. As another huge Batman fan I think it's cool. I also like the symbolism. Batman looking over all the thugs of UGA and showing them that he's watching and will come for them. It's clever.
Posted by RandySavage
Member since May 2012
30837 posts
Posted on 9/24/15 at 8:32 am to
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You go to a pro style offense if you want to best be prepared for the NFL. Cam was an anomaly, most of the spread qb's of college never work out in the NFL. This is a no brainier. UGA


The three most "pro style" offenses in the SEC have produced one regular NFL starter in the NFL over the last 15 years or so. These schools also probably have the most success recruiting highly ranked QBs over that time frame. Why are these pro style programs failing so miserably at producing NFL QBs with all that awesome preparation they are getting?

LSU- none
Alabama- none
UGA- Stafford
Posted by Smoke7024
Member since Jun 2010
22667 posts
Posted on 9/24/15 at 8:32 am to
This post has literally zero to do with my statement. I didn't say a thing about the NFL changing their offenses. Spread guys can make it in the NFL is my point. There aren't more starters because it's a fairly new concept. Tons of teams have starters that have had their spot cemented for years. That will change as time passes and some of those guys start to filter out.
Posted by JamalSanders
On a boat
Member since Jul 2015
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Posted on 9/24/15 at 8:39 am to
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Murray is the best QB to play in the SEC in the last 10 years at least, imo. He is only an NFL backup because of size.


This is spot on.

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Stafford had a better QB rating than Cam did last year, too. He also had more passing yards and passing TD's last year.


He also has better receivers than Cam by a large margin along with worse running backs.
Posted by RandySavage
Member since May 2012
30837 posts
Posted on 9/24/15 at 8:40 am to
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Then why do coaches and NFL scouts hate the spread?


Because it's shaking up the establishment in the NFL. High school has changed, college has changed, the NFL is still holding on but it will have to change soon as well.

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Just because it hasn't been around doesn't equate to it being better


If it wasn't better why are so many programs going to it and being ultra successful with it?
Posted by aubby57
Member since Dec 2013
176 posts
Posted on 9/24/15 at 8:41 am to
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There aren't more starters because it's a fairly new concept. Tons of teams have starters that have had their spot cemented for years. That will change as time passes and some of those guys start to filter out.

You don't think that if the spread had been around for 40 years then we wouldn't have more spread Qb's in the NFL?
Posted by StopRobot
Mobile, AL
Member since May 2013
15391 posts
Posted on 9/24/15 at 8:42 am to
Didn't Fran Tarkenton play for UGA? He was a former NFL MVP and went to several Super Bowls
Posted by DawgsLife
Member since Jun 2013
58911 posts
Posted on 9/24/15 at 8:44 am to
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He also has better receivers than Cam by a large margin along with worse running backs.


True, and a legitimate point...but you are going to hold that against him? My point is that right now Stafford is not a bad QB. He isn't great either. But, Cam is not a great NFL QB, either.

Too much goes into hype when people call a NFL QB great. Michael Vick was NOT a very good NFL QB, but look at the hype he got. He rarely won a game with his arm. He did it with his legs. I think either Cam OR Stafford could develop into wonderful QB's. they both have good arms.....but their intangibles hold them back, IMO.
Posted by RandySavage
Member since May 2012
30837 posts
Posted on 9/24/15 at 8:46 am to
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He rarely won a game with his arm. He did it with his legs.


Do those wins count for less or something?
Posted by Maddness
Huntsville, AL
Member since Jan 2013
801 posts
Posted on 9/24/15 at 8:47 am to
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but you are going to hold that against him?


You're saying that having Megatron on your team isn't an advantage?

I think Cam does great for what he has. I say you give Cam just Calvin Johnson and he has better stats than Stafford any day.
Posted by DawgsLife
Member since Jun 2013
58911 posts
Posted on 9/24/15 at 8:49 am to
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Because it's shaking up the establishment in the NFL. High school has changed, college has changed, the NFL is still holding on but it will have to change soon as well.



You very well could be correct, Randy. The NFL has changed over the years, but it has come slowly. But, right now, they hate the spread and the reason they are resisting the change is because the spread exposes the QB's to more injuries. They don't want to see a multi-million dollar investment laying on the field broken in half.

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If it wasn't better why are so many programs going to it and being ultra successful with it?



In college, offenses and defense continually change. Why? The same reason GT runs their offense. nobody practices for it or sees it enough, so they have a difficult time stopping it. Same with the spread. As soon as enough colleges run it defenses will find a way to stop it. When that happens coaches will find the next hot thing. At one time a lot of teams were running the wishbone, too. AND< at that time they were being ultra successful with it.
Posted by DawgsLife
Member since Jun 2013
58911 posts
Posted on 9/24/15 at 8:51 am to
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Do those wins count for less or something?


Absolutely not. They all count. But do you want Michael Vick as your QB? Don't get me wrong...I LOVE a QB that can win. I like Tim Tebow. (I know heresy) He took a Denver team that had lost 4 games to start the season and turned them into a team that won two playoff games.
Posted by DawgsLife
Member since Jun 2013
58911 posts
Posted on 9/24/15 at 8:52 am to
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You're saying that having Megatron on your team isn't an advantage?


yes it is an advantage. Are you going to take away Joe Montana's accomplishments because he was surrounded by great players? Or do you think Joe Montana was not really very good because he had Jerry Rice?
Posted by RandySavage
Member since May 2012
30837 posts
Posted on 9/24/15 at 8:53 am to
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But do you want Michael Vick as your QB?


In his prime? Sure. He was easily better than half the QBs starting in the NFL right now. Had more playoff success than Matt Ryan too and never had anything like Julio, Roddy, Tony to work with.
Posted by aubby57
Member since Dec 2013
176 posts
Posted on 9/24/15 at 8:54 am to
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As soon as enough colleges run it defenses will find a way to stop it. When that happens coaches will find the next hot thing

The rules in the college game are tilted to the offense so much. I think that until they change you won't be able to truly stop it. Unless you have just a lesser talented team in general, or your QB throws the ball backwards.
Posted by DawgsLife
Member since Jun 2013
58911 posts
Posted on 9/24/15 at 8:54 am to
Don't misunderstand me, guys. I think Auburn has done very well with the QBs they have had. I did not intend to belittle what Auburn QB's have accomplished, either in college or the NFL.
Posted by gatorhata9
Dallas, TX
Member since Dec 2010
26174 posts
Posted on 9/24/15 at 8:54 am to
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If it wasn't better why are so many programs going to it and being ultra successful with it?



Because it's easier. It's much more simple which is why high school offenses have been moving heavily towards it.
Posted by Maddness
Huntsville, AL
Member since Jan 2013
801 posts
Posted on 9/24/15 at 8:55 am to
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yes it is an advantage. Are you going to take away Joe Montana's accomplishments because he was surrounded by great players? Or do you think Joe Montana was not really very good because he had Jerry Rice?


Not at all. I'd say it like this. Let's say Stafford and Newton were completely equal in their running and passing ability. As they are now Newton is going to be at a (huge) disadvantage stats wise and probably production wise because he's got inferior weapons at his disposal.

I'm not saying it makes Stafford shitty, I actually like him a lot to be honest, I just think there's definitely some fine print on stats that has nothing to do with the QBs themselves and everything to do with the people around them.
Posted by DawgsLife
Member since Jun 2013
58911 posts
Posted on 9/24/15 at 8:56 am to
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n his prime? Sure. He was easily better than half the QBs starting in the NFL right now.


Agreed. But half the QB's in the NFL aren't very good.

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Had more playoff success than Matt Ryan too and never had anything like Julio, Roddy, Tony to work with.


I would still rather have Matt Ryan, as my QB. Why do you think Vick flamed out so quickly? I think the pounding on his body in the NFL took it's toll.
Posted by gatorhata9
Dallas, TX
Member since Dec 2010
26174 posts
Posted on 9/24/15 at 8:56 am to
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You're saying that having Megatron on your team isn't an advantage?



Holy frick. He said it was a legitimate point.

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I say you give Cam just Calvin Johnson and he has better stats than Stafford any day.


Even Calvin can't catch balls thrown 10 feet over his head.
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