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re: Best SEC Defenses Yard Per Play Since 2000
Posted on 12/16/14 at 1:21 pm to thatdude1985
Posted on 12/16/14 at 1:21 pm to thatdude1985
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that's not the best defense of all-time said the LSU fan.
Play Oregon and West Virginia instead of Kent State (#119 ypg) and UNT (#116 ypg), then we'll talk turkey. It is always nice when you can reduce two of your opponents to an average of 100 total yards while the other team plays the third and eleventh best offenses in the country after all the games were played.
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Posted on 12/16/14 at 1:23 pm to Indfanfromcol
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They were 3rd in the SEC and 39th in yards per game and 33rd in points per game.
Exactly - solid, but not a juggernaut the way Oregon and WVU were.
Posted on 12/16/14 at 1:24 pm to therick711
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Play Oregon and West Virginia instead of Kent State (#119 ypg) and UNT (#116 ypg), then we'll talk turkey. It is always nice when you can reduce two of your opponents to an average of 100 total yards while the other team plays the third and eleventh best offenses in the country after all the games were played.
Well, the advanced stats that strip out opponent strength (which was ridiculed as being stupid) also think that 2011 Alabama > 2011 LSU defensively, but either way both were great.
This post was edited on 12/16/14 at 1:25 pm
Posted on 12/16/14 at 1:24 pm to therick711
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This post was edited on 12/16/14 at 1:25 pm
Posted on 12/16/14 at 1:27 pm to SummerOfGeorge
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Well, the advanced stats that strip out opponent strength (which was ridiculed as being stupid) also think that 2011 Alabama > 2011 LSU defensively, but either way both were great.
I'm not sure what you are claiming the advanced stats do, but stripping anything of opponent strength exacerbates the problem, it doesn't fix it.
That is, if strength is a boon to LSU, which it is, eliminating it from the consideration makes the problem worse, not better.
Posted on 12/16/14 at 1:28 pm to therick711
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I'm not sure what you are claiming the advanced stats do, but stripping anything of opponent strength exacerbates the problem, it doesn't fix it.
They basically give certain stats a weighted average.
Hold Oregon to 2 YPP is worth more than holding Western Carolina to 2 YPP using formulas and such.
Posted on 12/16/14 at 1:30 pm to SummerOfGeorge
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1. 2011 Alabama - 3.3
2. 2003 LSU - 4.0
2. 2009 Alabama - 4.0
4. 2004 LSU - 4.1
4. 2004 Alabama - 4.1
4. 2006 LSU - 4.1
4. 2008 Tennessee - 4.1
4. 2011 LSU - 4.1
9. 2005 LSU - 4.2
Das a lot of 2 teams
Posted on 12/16/14 at 1:30 pm to SummerOfGeorge
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They basically give certain stats a weighted average.
Hold Oregon to 2 YPP is worth more than holding Western Carolina to 2 YPP using formulas and such.
So it isn't stripping strength, it is trying to account for it. Let's just say if you don't know what they do and how they do it (weighted by some way using some formula), we probably shouldn't be relying on it as a metric.
This post was edited on 12/16/14 at 1:33 pm
Posted on 12/16/14 at 1:32 pm to therick711
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So it isn't stripping strength, it is trying to account for it. Let's just say if you don't know what they do and how they do it (weighted by some way using some formula), we probably shouldn't be relying on it as a metric though.
I know what it does and how it does it..........
And by strip I meant it strips out opponents by creating a number that is opponent independent, which is used by a method of weighted average. I don't go in and audit their figures but I understand the basic philosophy behind how it is concocted.
Posted on 12/16/14 at 1:33 pm to FourThreeForty
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LSU's defense was meant to outmaneuver, outrun, and run circles around other teams' offenses. An insane secondary made that team great
2011 LSU would get pressure with just the front 4, and let the secondary eat. There's a reason they had more interceptions than receptions more than 10 yards down field.
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Alabama's was built to crush teams and slowly squeeze the life out of them as the game went on. Alabama's linebackers is what made that team great.
2011 Bama would just bludgeon you and break your will by halftime.
I agree that both were all-time great defenses.
Posted on 12/16/14 at 1:33 pm to SummerOfGeorge
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Exactly - solid, but not a juggernaut the way Oregon and WVU were.
Yes, but better than all but 1 offense alabama faced that year.
Posted on 12/16/14 at 1:34 pm to SummerOfGeorge
Honest question: what were the averages before the Bama/LSU BCS game? I mean, obviously the numbers won't change too much spread out over 13 games, but I have to think they were a tiny bit closer prior to the last game.
Posted on 12/16/14 at 1:34 pm to Indfanfromcol
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Yes, but better than all but 1 offense alabama faced that year.
I do agree the only downside to that season was the fact that Alabama didn't get to face very many really good offenses. I think Arkansas was really the only high level offense we played all season.
Posted on 12/16/14 at 1:35 pm to randomways
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Honest question: what were the averages before the Bama/LSU BCS game? I mean, obviously the numbers won't change too much spread out over 13 games, but I have to think they were a tiny bit closer prior to the last game.
That's a good question. I know that LSU averaged like 1.2 YPP in the finale, I think Alabama was around 3.0 or so........
Posted on 12/16/14 at 1:39 pm to SummerOfGeorge
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I don't go in and audit their figures but I understand the basic philosophy behind how it is concocted.
I'm not trying to be ugly, but understanding what something is attempting to do versus understanding how something is actually done in statistics is EVERYTHING. No one said you had to audit it, but how and why things are weighted are crucial to understanding what you are looking at. Where can I find these numbers so one of us can actually understand them?
Posted on 12/16/14 at 1:39 pm to skrayper
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Pretty sure you guys didn't hold the #1 team in the country to under 100 yards and 0 points ;p
That would have been impossible seeing as how LSU WAS the #1 team in the country.
Posted on 12/16/14 at 1:42 pm to therick711
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I'm not trying to be ugly, but understanding what something is attempting to do versus understanding how something is actually done in statistics is EVERYTHING. No one said you had to audit it, but how and why things are weighted are crucial to understanding what you are looking at. Where can I find these numbers so one of us can actually understand them?
Well yards per play is a pretty simple, widely used statistic.
F+ is linked in every one of the advanced stats post I post and is at footballoutsiders.com . Also pretty widely used by football people (and very similar to ESPN's FPI system).
Not sure why you are making this out to be some sort of PHD level math that none of us can understand.
This post was edited on 12/16/14 at 1:42 pm
Posted on 12/16/14 at 1:56 pm to SummerOfGeorge
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Not sure why you are making this out to be some sort of PHD level math that none of us can understand.
I'm not. Simply pointing out that you don't know how it works doesn't make something complicated, SoG. It may imply something about your cognitive abilities (I assure you I don't mean to imply that, but it is what it is
), but it doesn't mean that no one can understand it. It just means you're relying on a number that you don't really know how it is calculated to make a definitive point. No more, no less.Posted on 12/16/14 at 2:00 pm to SummerOfGeorge
no 2006 or 2008 fla makes this list some str8 up bullshite
This post was edited on 12/16/14 at 2:01 pm
Posted on 12/16/14 at 2:06 pm to Korin
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Well that's even more amazing for LSU considering that they played Oregon and West Virginia.
Another reason being, the way our defense was set up, we would give up more yards, but took the ball away much more.
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