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Posted on 12/5/13 at 11:48 am to
Posted by WDE24
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Posted on 12/5/13 at 11:48 am to
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NYCAuburn

That appears to be a troll fwiw. FSU hasn't even had practice yet today.
Posted by MIZ_COU
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Posted on 12/5/13 at 11:49 am to
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They're both rapists. But feminists have told us that it's impossible for a woman to rape a man, so only the man is the rapist.
Technically true but do you really see those as equivalent situations? Really? And it doesn't change the rest of my post.
Posted by MIZ_COU
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Posted on 12/5/13 at 11:51 am to
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You are implying a level of drunkenness that no one you are referring to implied. No one in this thread said they'd prey on a girl that was sloppy, blackout drunk. Good attempt at making something out of nothing though, champ.
Are you saying you have never been in that situation? and the warrent in the winston case says this is pretty much the situation
Posted by GenesChin
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Posted on 12/5/13 at 11:51 am to
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They're both rapists. But feminists have told us that it's impossible for a woman to rape a man, so only the man is the rapist.


Sort of like the 11 year olds in Utah who both were charged with having statutory rape with each other. Somehow they managed to rape each other
Posted by i am dan
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Posted on 12/5/13 at 11:51 am to
The ESPN video report on this today...

Says the girl's toxicology test came back showing only miniscule alcohol blood levels, and the bartender that night said he saw the victim drink only 1 shot and leave.

Now, the bartender line doesn't mean much, but the toxicology report should bear tons of weight.

ESPN video
This post was edited on 12/5/13 at 11:53 am
Posted by Funky Tide 8
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Posted on 12/5/13 at 11:54 am to
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Are you saying you have never been in that situation?


No, i've never tried to take an obscenely drunk girl home. I've always avoided them.

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and the warrent in the winston case says this is pretty much the situation



Toxicology report says otherwise...
This post was edited on 12/5/13 at 11:55 am
Posted by Fizzou
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Posted on 12/5/13 at 11:54 am to
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Technically true but do you really see those as equivalent situations? Really? And it doesn't change the rest of my post.

Do I see a male raping a female as equivalent to a female raping a male? Yes, I do. If you don't, there's something really f-d up in your head.
Posted by Alahunter
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Posted on 12/5/13 at 11:54 am to
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The ESPN video report on this today... Says the girl's toxicology test came back showing only miniscule alcohol blood levels, and the bartender that night said he saw the victim drink only 1 shot and leave. Now, the bartender line doesn't mean much, but the toxicology report should bear tons of weight.


It may have. I'm going to wait to hear the official reports release though, instead of what was released by lawyers or inside sources. They may be correct, but too much flying around to be able to make an informed decision at this point. Also have to take into account when the tests were done.
Posted by EveryonesACoach
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Posted on 12/5/13 at 11:55 am to
I don't give two shits who is on whose side.

Are you trying to tell me that Bama fans would feel bad if they got to play for MNC under these circumstances? Yeah right.
Posted by A_Leather_Glove
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Posted on 12/5/13 at 11:55 am to
Seems to contradict her own statement that she was disoriented though... Unless she was drugged, but I'd think that would show up on the tox..
Posted by GenesChin
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Posted on 12/5/13 at 11:57 am to
Question about the toxicology is how long after she had been drinking did she take it?

where my grandparents live in Ariona, if they don't get you in for a blood test within 2 hours of being pulled over, you get your DUI thrown out since it isn't accurate.


I doubt they took her blood within 4 hours of her actually drinking
Posted by Funky Tide 8
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Posted on 12/5/13 at 11:57 am to
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I don't give two shits who is on whose side.



then you dont give a shite if you look like a retard I guess...

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Are you trying to tell me that Bama fans would feel bad if they got to play for MNC under these circumstances? Yeah right.



Why would we feel bad about a situation we have no control over?
Posted by Fizzou
Member since Oct 2013
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Posted on 12/5/13 at 11:57 am to
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The ESPN video report on this today...

Says the girl's toxicology test came back showing only miniscule alcohol blood levels, and the bartender that night said he saw the victim drink only 1 shot and leave.

Now, the bartender line doesn't mean much, but the toxicology report should bear tons of weight.

Miniscule at the time the sample was taken? Or miniscule when extrapolating her BA level back in time?
Posted by antibarner
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Posted on 12/5/13 at 11:58 am to
I just want the right thing to be done. If he forced himself on her charge him.

If she's falsely accusing him they should lock HER arse up.
Posted by WDE24
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Posted on 12/5/13 at 11:59 am to
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If he forced himself on her charge him.

If she's falsely accusing him they should lock HER arse up.
What if they don't have enough evidence to prove either?
Posted by the808bass
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Posted on 12/5/13 at 11:59 am to
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Question about the toxicology is how long after she had been drinking did she take it?

Assuming my timeline is accurate, blood test would have been well over 4 hours later.
Posted by Alphatiger721
Member since Jun 2009
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Posted on 12/5/13 at 12:01 pm to
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I just want the right thing to be done. If he forced himself on her charge him.



I don't think it's really a case of Winston "forcing himself on her". I'd imagine that Winston believed what they were doing was consensual. If he is charged, it will be because the law will treat her as being intoxicated enough to not be capable of giving consent, even if she intended to.

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What if they don't have enough evidence to prove either?



If you can't prove either beyond a reasonable doubt (which is probably the case), he won't be convicted. If the prosecution knows they don't have that kind of evidence, they will simply drop the charges.
This post was edited on 12/5/13 at 12:03 pm
Posted by Interweb Cowboy
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Posted on 12/5/13 at 12:01 pm to
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fricked up situation all around. Hate that controversy seems to surround college football every year lately.


+1
Posted by the808bass
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Posted on 12/5/13 at 12:02 pm to
That's not what the affidavit says.
Posted by Alahunter
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Posted on 12/5/13 at 12:02 pm to
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TALLAHASSEE, Fla. (AP) — A woman who accused Florida State quarterback Jameis Winston of sexual assault told police she was raped at an apartment after a night of drinking at a bar, according to a search warrant released hours before a prosecutor was to announce whether the Heisman Trophy contender should face charges.

In the warrant from last December, the alleged victim told police she and friends had five to six shots at Potbellys and her "memory is very broken from that point forward." She said she remembered being in a cab with a "non-descript" black man and going into an apartment where she was raped. The woman didn't identify Winston, who is black, until about a month after the alleged assault a year ago.

The warrant said she tried to fight the man off, and at some point, another man came into the room and told him to stop. But the two went into a bathroom "where he completed the act."

Her next memory was of the suspect dressing her, putting her on a scooter and dropping her off at a campus intersection. She said she had no idea where the alleged assault took place.

State Attorney Willie Meggs said Wednesday his office had "exhausted all investigative tools" since the case was handed over to his office in mid-November.

"We have learned as much as we can learn," said Meggs, who will announce his findings at a 2 p.m. news conference at the Leon County Courthouse.

The details of the alleged rape were contained in a search warrant for cellphone records, including text messages. The warrant said the woman sent multiple text messages after the alleged assault, but it did not say what they said.

In the short time since Meggs' office took over the case, investigators have taken DNA from Winston, interviewed the victim and looked at other evidence.

ESPN reported that DNA found in the accuser's underwear matched Winston. But Winston's attorney, Timothy Jansen, has suggested Winston had consensual sex with the accuser and he expects the prosecutor will exonerate his client.

"If he looked at evidence we did, we feel confident he will find that Mr. Winston did nothing wrong," Jansen said.

Jansen is confident enough that he plans to have Winston briefly address the media at 3:30 p.m. Jansen said Thursday morning he still had not heard anything from prosecutors, which suggested it was unlikely any charges will be filed.

Patricia Carroll, the attorney representing the alleged victim, has not responded to requests for comment. Her office is expected to release a brief statement after the prosecutor's announcement.

Winston, 19, has led the Seminoles to a No. 1 ranking and a shot at a national championship if they defeat Duke on Saturday.

Many voters are waiting to see whether Winston will be charged with a crime before casting their ballots. The deadline for ballots is Monday, and the trophy is awarded Dec. 14.

Florida State policy dictates that a student-athlete is suspended from game action if charged with a felony until the charge is resolved "absent extraordinary circumstances as determined by the administration."

Meggs has said he wanted to make sure prosecutors completed a thorough investigation before making a final decision. He has also said several times that prosecutors must determine whether there is a "reasonable" chance of conviction.

Meggs said Wednesday that the investigation results should answer some lingering questions about how the investigation was handled and why it took 11 months before prosecutors were notified.

"When you all look at this, when the dust all settles, you'll say, 'Man, there were some things that could have been done back in December of '12 that could have cleared this up a whole lot easier than November of 2013," he said.

The alleged sexual assault was first reported to police on Dec. 7, 2012. The family has said the victim did not know the identity of her attacker until early January, when she identified him as Winston. Police said last week that they tried to interview Winston in January but that Jansen at the time told them his client would not answer questions.

The family has been sharply critical of the way Tallahassee police have handled the case. They said they pushed to have a DNA sample taken from Winston, only to be told by a police detective that it would alert Winston and make the case public. The family said Carroll was warned by police that Tallahassee is a "big football town, and the victim needs to think long and hard before proceeding against him because she will be raked over the coals and her life will be made miserable."

Tallahassee police have defended their handling of the case and said it was placed on inactive status in February after police were told the alleged victim did not wish to prosecute the case. Carroll has denied that the woman wanted to drop the investigation.

The alleged victim was an FSU student, but she left school last month after Carroll was told by police that information about the case was about to be released to the media.
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