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Posted on 6/29/12 at 12:18 am to AllBamaDoesIsWin
Posted on 6/29/12 at 12:18 am to AllBamaDoesIsWin
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Try again there crybaby!
Try again there crybaby!
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Posted on 6/29/12 at 1:23 am to LSUNV
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Try again there crybaby!
Cry baby?
Posted on 6/29/12 at 2:49 am to AllBamaDoesIsWin
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And, you're insulting a Bama fan? Well I know what I've got to do.
Your just too easy!
Posted on 6/29/12 at 6:24 am to AllBamaDoesIsWin
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And, you're insulting a Bama fan? Well I know what I've got to do.
How did he exactly insult him? By calling him sweetie? Quit being a fricking pussy.
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21-0. We whooped you with our fat arse linebackers that can't stop the option. We beat the Almighty LSU who had finally proven they were on the same level as Alabama. We beat the best team you ever put
All he was saying if no team even has a chance next year according to most Alabama fans in this thread, why even both competing? Talk about touchy.
Posted on 6/29/12 at 9:14 am to LSUNV
apparently if you type curse words in a post, you're considered mad....GOT IT. QUIT FACTING BRUH.
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Posted on 6/29/12 at 9:46 am to thatdude1985
2012 Alabama is distinctly different from 2010 Alabama mainly because of experience. 2010 Alabama was a VERY talented team. Saban even states publicly that '10 Alabama was the most talented team that he has ever coached. What that team had in talent, they lacked in two important areas, however: 1) experience and 2) leadership.
A lot of players from the '11 Alabama defense are gone. This is true. But pretty much all of the players coming back on the defense have significant in-game experience. The defensive line is without a doubt the most experienced part of the defense and will probably be its greatest strength early on. As far as linebackers are concerned:
Nico Johnson is a three-year starter. He played heavily throughout 2009 as a true freshman after Dont'a Hightower tore his ACL in mid-September and played heavily throughout 2010 and 2011.
CJ Mosely is a two-year player. He wasn't a starter per say but he saw very significant playing time throughout 2010 and 2011.
Trey DePriest is a true sophomore who saw significant playing time as a true freshman last year. And it wasn't just garbage time, either. He played heavily in sports where the game was on the line and produced quite a bit.
Adrian Hubbard isn't as experienced as DePriest but he saw some game time last year in (mainly) garbage situations. He's a solid pass rusher but we'll have to see if that remains true when the game is on the line. Still...he isn't green at all.
Xzavier Dickson, like Hubbard, played in mostly garbage time last year but he did see the field. Rumor has it that he had a difficult time picking up the defense at first but seems to have picked it up now.
While big names like Hightower and Upshaw are no longer with the defense, other names such as Johnson, Mosely, and DePriest are talented and experienced enough to step in and perform well enough that there won't be a significant drop off.
And then you have the secondary:
Robert Lester is a two-year starter who performed quite well in both years at Alabama. In 2010 he was an interception machine while in 2011 he was a lock down safety and very few quarterbacks threw the ball in his direction. He's one of the best safeties in the SEC, definitely Top 2 in conference.
Dee Milliner is another two-year starter in the secondary who really stepped up his game in 2011 after a mediocre season as a true freshman in 2010. He locked down his side of the field for the most part and corrected most of the mistakes he was making as a freshman in '10. He may be primed for an All-SEC type season.
Deion Belue is a JuCo transfer and is probably the fastest DB we have on the roster right now. Saban expects him to start right away and really likes where he is at the moment skills-wise. The guy already knows the defense and is poised for a pretty good season if the hype surrounding him is to be believed.
Vinnie Sunseri played significantly on the defense during the final month of the season and performed beautifully. With Barron out with injury in the Iron Bowl, Sunseri stepped right in with little to no drop off at all. He also played significant snaps against LSU in the championship game in January. The guy's a head hunter who is poised to really break out this year.
I could go on with my analysis but you all get the idea. The difference between 2010 Alabama and 2012 Alabama will be the levels of experience on the defense. But what also hurt '10 Alabama was the lack of leadership from key areas as well as injuries to many of our key players in different parts of the season.
If, and that's a big IF, the team can stay healthy, I have no doubt they will be primed for a good season. I'm not saying we'll run the table because the odds are stacked up against us. What I am saying is that I think it nearly impossible for this team to lose more than 2 games in the regular season. My prediction for the season ranges from 10-2 to 12-0.
A lot of players from the '11 Alabama defense are gone. This is true. But pretty much all of the players coming back on the defense have significant in-game experience. The defensive line is without a doubt the most experienced part of the defense and will probably be its greatest strength early on. As far as linebackers are concerned:
Nico Johnson is a three-year starter. He played heavily throughout 2009 as a true freshman after Dont'a Hightower tore his ACL in mid-September and played heavily throughout 2010 and 2011.
CJ Mosely is a two-year player. He wasn't a starter per say but he saw very significant playing time throughout 2010 and 2011.
Trey DePriest is a true sophomore who saw significant playing time as a true freshman last year. And it wasn't just garbage time, either. He played heavily in sports where the game was on the line and produced quite a bit.
Adrian Hubbard isn't as experienced as DePriest but he saw some game time last year in (mainly) garbage situations. He's a solid pass rusher but we'll have to see if that remains true when the game is on the line. Still...he isn't green at all.
Xzavier Dickson, like Hubbard, played in mostly garbage time last year but he did see the field. Rumor has it that he had a difficult time picking up the defense at first but seems to have picked it up now.
While big names like Hightower and Upshaw are no longer with the defense, other names such as Johnson, Mosely, and DePriest are talented and experienced enough to step in and perform well enough that there won't be a significant drop off.
And then you have the secondary:
Robert Lester is a two-year starter who performed quite well in both years at Alabama. In 2010 he was an interception machine while in 2011 he was a lock down safety and very few quarterbacks threw the ball in his direction. He's one of the best safeties in the SEC, definitely Top 2 in conference.
Dee Milliner is another two-year starter in the secondary who really stepped up his game in 2011 after a mediocre season as a true freshman in 2010. He locked down his side of the field for the most part and corrected most of the mistakes he was making as a freshman in '10. He may be primed for an All-SEC type season.
Deion Belue is a JuCo transfer and is probably the fastest DB we have on the roster right now. Saban expects him to start right away and really likes where he is at the moment skills-wise. The guy already knows the defense and is poised for a pretty good season if the hype surrounding him is to be believed.
Vinnie Sunseri played significantly on the defense during the final month of the season and performed beautifully. With Barron out with injury in the Iron Bowl, Sunseri stepped right in with little to no drop off at all. He also played significant snaps against LSU in the championship game in January. The guy's a head hunter who is poised to really break out this year.
I could go on with my analysis but you all get the idea. The difference between 2010 Alabama and 2012 Alabama will be the levels of experience on the defense. But what also hurt '10 Alabama was the lack of leadership from key areas as well as injuries to many of our key players in different parts of the season.
If, and that's a big IF, the team can stay healthy, I have no doubt they will be primed for a good season. I'm not saying we'll run the table because the odds are stacked up against us. What I am saying is that I think it nearly impossible for this team to lose more than 2 games in the regular season. My prediction for the season ranges from 10-2 to 12-0.
Posted on 6/29/12 at 9:49 am to BhamDore
Bama fans don't expect to win a National Championship EVERY year. They're on an every other year schedule right now silly.
Posted on 6/29/12 at 9:52 am to Geauxtiga
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Bama fans don't expect to win a National Championship EVERY year. They're on an every other year schedule right now silly.
Posted on 6/29/12 at 11:03 am to LSUNV
Posted on 6/29/12 at 11:10 am to thatdude1985
Posted on 6/29/12 at 11:15 am to LSUNV
How the hell did you get that picture...they're going to be pissed.
Posted on 6/29/12 at 11:16 am to thatdude1985
Posted on 6/29/12 at 11:32 am to BhamDore
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BhamDore
Member how much you embarressed yourself last year with your pre-season guarentees about LSU last season? Oh yes it's funny because we remembered. Not much credibility with this one. Why should we believe what you say now?
Posted on 6/29/12 at 2:20 pm to LSUNV
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Your just too easy!
You didn't get the point of the post, did you?
How does every Bama fan react to LSU at the moment?
It was a joke, knucklehead.
Posted on 6/29/12 at 11:30 pm to RollTide1987
D-line most experienced???
bama has only four that saw any significant amount of PT in SEC action. But, considering how inexperienced some of the new LBs and DBs are I guess your statement could very well be true.
Dial registered tackles in four SEC games a total of eight tackles. Big game was against state, three assists.
Stinson was in on 13 tackles against SEC competition. Top game was three solos vs the gators.
As for the new up and coming LBs.
Depriest had seven defensive tackles in five SEC games. Season high was two solos vs LSU in the dome.
Hubbard was involved in nine defensive stops in six SEC games he recorded tackles. Biggest games were two ast vs both vandy and state.
Dickson is the least experienced of the three soph LBs. two tackles in two SEC games.
Now onto the secondary
Milliner was a Fr All American in '10. That wasn't mediocre. I thought kirkpatrick and menzie were the starting corners last year?
Just because a CB is fast doesn't mean he can cover. That boy from South Plaqumine can give him a run for his money.
son of serri wasn't in on a single tackle in either game vs LSU. Not even an assist.
All numbers for SEC games and tackles come from the official bama website for the first 12 games and added for the championship game as needed.
bama has only four that saw any significant amount of PT in SEC action. But, considering how inexperienced some of the new LBs and DBs are I guess your statement could very well be true.
Dial registered tackles in four SEC games a total of eight tackles. Big game was against state, three assists.
Stinson was in on 13 tackles against SEC competition. Top game was three solos vs the gators.
As for the new up and coming LBs.
Depriest had seven defensive tackles in five SEC games. Season high was two solos vs LSU in the dome.
Hubbard was involved in nine defensive stops in six SEC games he recorded tackles. Biggest games were two ast vs both vandy and state.
Dickson is the least experienced of the three soph LBs. two tackles in two SEC games.
Now onto the secondary
Milliner was a Fr All American in '10. That wasn't mediocre. I thought kirkpatrick and menzie were the starting corners last year?
Just because a CB is fast doesn't mean he can cover. That boy from South Plaqumine can give him a run for his money.
son of serri wasn't in on a single tackle in either game vs LSU. Not even an assist.
All numbers for SEC games and tackles come from the official bama website for the first 12 games and added for the championship game as needed.
Posted on 6/29/12 at 11:37 pm to 167back
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Milliner was a Fr All American in '10. That wasn't mediocre. I thought kirkpatrick and menzie were the starting corners last year?
Milliner and Menzie did what Nico and Mosley did and switched sometimes. Menzie usually started at LCB, but Milliner would come in sometimes even in base.
Plus we were in Nickel a LOT. Milliner played almost as many snaps as Menzie.
You're looking at their stats like they didn't play. They played in garbage time mostly. Despite leading by so much, we didn't always take out the first team D because Nick didn't want anyone moving the ball on us. It wasn't that the second team was bad, it was just the first team was more of a proven group to get the job done.
Milliner was our most targeted CB last year, and it wasn't even close. He led the team in INTs and locked down everyone he played. Against Greg Childs and Da'Rick Rogers (Rodgers?) he only really let them beat him once, and they were quick slant ins, the easy route against man coverage.
Williams, Square, Dial, Stinson, Ivory, all had playing time last year. Hell, Ivory started against GSU, but he wasn't ready to, it is one of the main reasons we had trouble with the dive.
Posted on 6/30/12 at 12:28 am to AllBamaDoesIsWin
Slow down there cowboy. I didn't say anything bad about milliner. I'm the one that said he was a Fr All American. You said that season was so-so. He started every game in '10.
Ask most bama fans who their starting corners were last year and they will say kirkpatrick and menzie. Then they might add the milliner was the starting nickle back.
Those LBs played no doubt about it. It's just that they didn't get the experience that you claim, at least not against SEC competition. Or were that productive when they were in there.
Bama has four experienced D-linemen but, Dial is only in his second year at bama and he really didn't play a whole hell of a lot of defense last year. Ivory, give me a break.
Ask most bama fans who their starting corners were last year and they will say kirkpatrick and menzie. Then they might add the milliner was the starting nickle back.
Those LBs played no doubt about it. It's just that they didn't get the experience that you claim, at least not against SEC competition. Or were that productive when they were in there.
Bama has four experienced D-linemen but, Dial is only in his second year at bama and he really didn't play a whole hell of a lot of defense last year. Ivory, give me a break.
Posted on 6/30/12 at 12:32 am to 167back
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Ask most bama fans who their starting corners were last year and they will say kirkpatrick and menzie. Then they might add the milliner was the starting nickle back.
No one doubts Menzie started, but Milliner played almost as many snaps. It doesn't matter who started when you play almost as many snaps as the guy above you.
I know Dickson didn't see the field much because he didn't really understand the defense until much later in the year. Hubbard didn't do much, but we has been on the field a lot. Plus, I don't think we ever put an entire second team out there, and if we did it would've included Mosley/Milliner, two guys who were pretty much on the first team. Also, Gentry. I imagine they hogged the stats during garbage time.
Posted on 6/30/12 at 7:18 am to AllBamaDoesIsWin
Alabama won the Nattie a year earlier in 2009, and the suffered post championship season. Same thing happened at LSU and Auburn. This year may be different because a lot of players were on the 2010 team and vowed "never again ".
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