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re: Auburn depth chart released
Posted on 8/28/12 at 4:47 pm to TemplarTheSaint
Posted on 8/28/12 at 4:47 pm to TemplarTheSaint
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Just a big, big question relative to last year.
What is?
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Posted on 8/28/12 at 4:47 pm to TemplarTheSaint
emoticons don't make up for substance.
Posted on 8/28/12 at 4:48 pm to SECSolomonGrundy
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Who are the run stoppers on this defense?
Whitaker, Blackson, Wright at DT. Hopefully Carter progresses into one. Holland should be. I think our safety's will surprise this year too.
And believe it or not, but Bates had the most tackles on the team last year. He's undersized, but if he plays smart, he can be effective. We had smaller OLB's than we have now under Tubs in 04, and they were very effective because they played smart. Hopefully Bates can do the same this year. He's in his 4th year and with VanGorder coaching the LB's I feel pretty confident we'll get his best play this year.
Posted on 8/28/12 at 4:48 pm to GoCrazyAuburn
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To the size comment, go look at LSU's depth chart on rivals.
LSU DL:
Mingo 240
Ferguson 283
Logan 287
Montgomery 245
AU DL:
Lemonier 246
Blackson 308
Whitaker 307
Ford 246
Auburn is bigger across the board.
This post was edited on 8/28/12 at 4:49 pm
Posted on 8/28/12 at 4:49 pm to TemplarTheSaint
quote:Frazer has a ton of challenges facing him in just 4 short days - losing his starting center will shake things up even more.
Most would consider it a Lack of Depth Chart. Seriously, your skilled positions on Offense have experience, Frazier notwithstanding. The issue becomes Frazier's ability (or lack thereof) to get the ball into their hands given the "youth" of your OL.
If you look at the film from last year, he was running a limited playset given his inexperience. Here he is under his second OC in as many years having to make reads and adjustments with an inexperienced OL in a completely new offense. He has the talent to progress thru the year, if his OL gives him the opportunity.
Just a big, big question relative to last year.
I do think the kid has a cool head though - and that's what you want in a QB. Someone that can handle the pressure without showing too much emotion.
Posted on 8/28/12 at 4:53 pm to RT1941
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Frazer has a ton of challenges facing him in just 4 short days - losing his starting center will shake things up even more.
I do think the kid has a cool head though - and that's what you want in a QB. Someone that can handle the pressure without showing too much emotion.
It's going to be interesting. I really hope Frazier has improved like they said because he looked bad throwing the football last year. I know he didn't have many opportunities and he wasn't put in the best spots, but it was bad.
There was one throw, I think it was in the Iron Bowl, where Lutz was about 3 yards in front of him with no one within 15 yards of him and Frazier just overshot him by about 8 feet. And that was out of the normal offense not the wildcat package he was normally brought in to run.
Posted on 8/28/12 at 4:53 pm to Smoke7024
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What is?
The ability for a relatively inexperienced QB in a completely new system to have the time to get the ball to the veteran play makers, given all the new, young faces on the OL.
Not saying it can't be done, just highlighting this as the Key to AU's performance this season, as I see it. I don't see the Defense as a problem, short of inexperience in the secondary. But LSU had that problem, before TM7.
Posted on 8/28/12 at 4:54 pm to TemplarTheSaint
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how much better will the OL play this year be relative to last year?
It should be better by the end of the year.
Sullen is a SR, so he can make up for lack of talent with experience. He may very well get passed up by Westerman or Kozan by the end of the year though.
Greg Robinson should be a stud at LT.
Slade is a good, not great LT. He has his moments of greatness though. He played amazing in the Peach Bowl last year. It was VA, but he still played better than he had all year.
Center will be very good once Dismukes gets back. No telling what to expect from his backup against Clempson. He has in game experience, but not a lot. He's probably the smartest guy on the team though, so at least he'll know the plays.
and RT is a little scary. Avery Young is a true freshman there, and has gotten a ton of praise from other players and the coaches, which is pretty rare, but he's still a true freshman and I'm sure he'll have some freshmen moments. He's got size though - 6'6" and around 295-300
All in all, the OL this year has a ton more talent than we had last year, and even more starting experience. They should get better as the year goes on. There's really not telling how good they will be since there are so many unknowns there.
Posted on 8/28/12 at 4:55 pm to kage
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Hopefully Carter progresses into one
If Carter can stay on his feet for over 65% of the time he is on the field, that would be a huge improvement.
Posted on 8/28/12 at 4:56 pm to TemplarTheSaint
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short of inexperience in the secondary.
Solid post, but this is pretty far off...those guys have played a lot of football.
Posted on 8/28/12 at 4:56 pm to TemplarTheSaint
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The ability for a relatively inexperienced QB in a completely new system to have the time to get the ball to the veteran play makers, given all the new, young faces on the OL.
Relative to last year, I like this year better. When Dismukes is back (which I would expect would be week 2), then there are three vets on the o-line. I like the situation at QB and the o-line better than what we had last year.
Posted on 8/28/12 at 4:59 pm to MattP598
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Frazer has a ton of challenges facing him in just 4 short days - losing his starting center will shake things up even more.
I do think the kid has a cool head though - and that's what you want in a QB. Someone that can handle the pressure without showing too much emotion.
quote:Gus scripted every move Frazer made last year. IMHO, Frazer should have red-shirted for all the good it did him last year.
It's going to be interesting. I really hope Frazier has improved like they said because he looked bad throwing the football last year. I know he didn't have many opportunities and he wasn't put in the best spots, but it was bad.
There was one throw, I think it was in the Iron Bowl, where Lutz was about 3 yards in front of him with no one within 15 yards of him and Frazier just overshot him by about 8 feet. And that was out of the normal offense not the wildcat package he was normally brought in to run.
The real test will come when y'all face the first SEC power defense (LSU) - I can just see Chief drawing up blitz packages and such just to toy with your new QB & Oline - it will be interesting to see how Loeffler (sp) handles that kind of intensity on defense. It can be most intimidating.
Posted on 8/29/12 at 1:08 am to blzr
guys when is Eric Mack expected back? When he returns what position will he slide into?
Posted on 8/29/12 at 1:28 am to blzr
LT: 1. Greg Robinson (6-6, 311, RFr.), 2. Shon Coleman (6-6, 302, RFr.).
LG: 1. John Sullen (6-3 313, Sr.), 2. Alex Kozan (6-4, 295, TFr.).
C : 1. Tunde Fariyike (6-3, 302, So.) 2. John Sullen (6-3, 313, Sr.)
RG: 1. Chad Slade (6-5, 301, So.), 2. Christian Westerman (6-4, 301, RFr.)
RT: 1. Avery Young (6-6, 295,TFr.), 2. Pat Miller (6-6, 298, TFr.).
What is this? I don't even...
Mocha Cam can't do it all on his own.
Move LG John Sullen to RG
Move Lutz to RT
Move WR Jaylon Denson 6-3, 211 to TE
Run to the right, PA roll out right, and roll out right to pass every down and the season may not all be shite.
ETA: Wow, I just noticed Sullen was #2 at center. Who the hell is the OC? Chizik gonna Chiz
LG: 1. John Sullen (6-3 313, Sr.), 2. Alex Kozan (6-4, 295, TFr.).
C : 1. Tunde Fariyike (6-3, 302, So.) 2. John Sullen (6-3, 313, Sr.)
RG: 1. Chad Slade (6-5, 301, So.), 2. Christian Westerman (6-4, 301, RFr.)
RT: 1. Avery Young (6-6, 295,TFr.), 2. Pat Miller (6-6, 298, TFr.).
What is this? I don't even...
Mocha Cam can't do it all on his own.
Move LG John Sullen to RG
Move Lutz to RT
Move WR Jaylon Denson 6-3, 211 to TE
Run to the right, PA roll out right, and roll out right to pass every down and the season may not all be shite.
ETA: Wow, I just noticed Sullen was #2 at center. Who the hell is the OC? Chizik gonna Chiz
This post was edited on 8/29/12 at 1:35 am
Posted on 8/29/12 at 1:32 am to kage
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Greg Robinson should be a stud at LT.
he's yet to play a college game. that first road test is always a big challenge for young lineman. fortunately for him, its gonna be a mixed crowd in the dome. i dont think MSU has much of a pass rush, but LSU sure as hell does. auburn doesnt really have any tough road games until the IB. by then Robinson should be ready for a tough road game. the schedule actually works out kinda well for the young OLs. they are gonna take some lumps, but it could be worse.
This post was edited on 8/29/12 at 1:35 am
Posted on 8/29/12 at 1:33 am to johnzorback
Wow.
Robinson, by all accounts, is a stud. Sullen is a hoss along with Slade and Young. Fariyike knows the plays as good as anyone, and Lutz will be a TE like he always has been. Our O-line is young, but solid.
Robinson, by all accounts, is a stud. Sullen is a hoss along with Slade and Young. Fariyike knows the plays as good as anyone, and Lutz will be a TE like he always has been. Our O-line is young, but solid.
This post was edited on 8/29/12 at 1:35 am
Posted on 8/29/12 at 1:39 am to rbWarEagle
O-line is the hardest position to learn (besides QB), and the hardest to gel.
I'm not doubting athleticism or talent, but other than QB, O-line is a position that requires a lot of experience to excel at.
No amount of kool-aid should be able to make you think Auburn's O-line is solid.
I'm not doubting athleticism or talent, but other than QB, O-line is a position that requires a lot of experience to excel at.
No amount of kool-aid should be able to make you think Auburn's O-line is solid.
Posted on 8/29/12 at 1:43 am to johnzorback
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No amount of kool-aid should be able to make you think Auburn's O-line is solid.
im pretty sure this guy would say the OL is solid no matter what five players they listed on the depth chart
Posted on 8/29/12 at 1:48 am to SECSolomonGrundy
I'm pretty sure I've followed Auburn a bit more than you have. I've seen them match up against our D-Line and I like what I saw. I really don't care what you opinion is, to tell you the truth. You'll see it on the field. It may take them a minute to get a flow, but Grimes seems to think his unit can hang, and I know he's a little bit more "experienced" than either of you.
Posted on 8/29/12 at 1:57 am to rbWarEagle
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It may take them a minute to get a flow
It definitely will. Game speed is a lot different than practice or scrimmage speed.
This O-Line isn't going to have time to gel.
week1 Clemson
week2 M State
week3 ULM
week4 LSU
week5 bye
week6 Arkansas
ULM is the only game where your O-line will feel comfortable.
they have Ole Miss and Vandy to build confidence and gel, but this is a bad early schedule for a young O-line.
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