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re: Attn aggies: Channel 677
Posted on 1/21/15 at 11:00 am to Gradual_Stroke
Posted on 1/21/15 at 11:00 am to Gradual_Stroke
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LSU didn't give us any of that shite. We TOOK it. Because we can.
Sometimes I think you are serious.
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Posted on 1/21/15 at 11:01 am to idlewatcher
Then I'm doing a good job with my satire
Posted on 1/21/15 at 11:09 am to cardboardboxer
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1. ESPN DOES have a piece of the Big 12- the most valuable piece
yea I had not forgotten about that, they can pick up the RR shootout and a select other couple of games in that conference that will draw more than fly's. But I don't see a clear reason why the conference folding would lock them out of those games, either.
quote:How would that work, exactly?
They didn't want Texas to go to the PAC and get shut out of college football for half of the country
quote:agreed, I just don't see how only 4 power conferences changes the overall value of college football that much, yes the 4 remaining conference values would go up, as a result of the shift, it would still give ESPN a chance to have a good piece of at least 2 and probably 3 of them, (all but the B1G).
3. ESPN owns a lot of property across college football.
This post was edited on 1/21/15 at 11:25 am
Posted on 1/21/15 at 11:17 am to Jagd Tiger
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How would that work, exactly?
There are only two major conferences that are west of the Mississippi in focus- the PAC and the Big 12. If the best parts of the Big 12 went to the PAC, and Fox kept the rights to the PAC tv content, then ESPN would have been locked out of half of the country. Hence why a fat LHN deal came in at the 11th hour.
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I just don't see how only 4 power conferences changes the overall value of college football that much
Like any other market, supply and demand. If the supply of top tier football is smaller (aka 4 instead of 5) then those who negotiate for that group can ask for more. Just like any other product in the market. If college football was one conference of the top 30 teams it could almost charge what the NFL does...
Posted on 1/21/15 at 11:21 am to Gradual_Stroke
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Gradual_Stroke
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Honestly between the T-day accommodations, letting us have John Chavis, and letting us have Speedy the Tigers of Louisiana have done more for the Noble Men of Kyle than Texas did in 100 years.
quote:Y'all take arse-whippings just as good too...
LSU didn't give us any of that shite. We TOOK it. Because we can.
Posted on 1/21/15 at 11:32 am to cardboardboxer
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There are only two major conferences that are west of the Mississippi in focus-
sure, obviously, but a restructuring of the PAC, (not unlike the SEC when Aggie/MU joined) would allow networks to bid for tiered rights, just like they have now with the bev12, or so it would seem.
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Like any other market, supply and demand.
Certainly, but likewise the "other side" of that coin is that the value of assets that ESPN already holds, like most of the SEC and ACC product content, would also "go up".... rising tide.. all boats, etc.
Yes they may have to bid for some PAC tiered rights, but they could also be selective about what they are bidding for, well at this point we are both being somewhat subjective since there are numerous possibilities.
One thing is certain, the resulting bloodbath of the dissolved bev12 would be very VERY entertaining,,, for us!
Posted on 1/21/15 at 11:34 am to Jagd Tiger
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the money ESPN is paying has to come from somewhere, even if it's skimmed off the profits they are making from the SECN. I'm not sure why ESPN would want to pay through the nose to keep the B12 intact as you say, when they aren't making money off either the LHN or the B12. From a business standpoint it would seem to make more sense to let both the B12/LHN go under and stop paying out on a loser like the bevonetwork.
The money ESPN is paying UTx is coming out of their own profits. They are eating it themselves. Why? Because they ARE still making money off the B12 as a whole, and they DON'T want UTx to blow up the conference. If the B12 crumbles, there's no telling where schools like UTx and OU end up. Maybe the Pac, maybe the B1G. And ESPN doesn't want that nonsense going on when the contract for the B1G is coming open in a few years.
So while the LHN is a money loser, it's a drop in the bucket for ESPN, and serves a greater purpose in their grand scheme.
Posted on 1/21/15 at 11:37 am to Tennessee Jed
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Take them back, please
Posted on 1/21/15 at 11:39 am to Spindicus Lofrus
Words cannot express the depth of my gratitude for the existence of LHN.
I do feel the need to correct your assumption that our DTV bills are going to UT. In fact, they are going to ESPN. ESPN is contractually obligated to pay UT a set amount despite the dismal (market) failure of the network. The fact that now, three years into its existence, they were finally able to give it away is meaningful for you guys only in that your serious exposure problem from the last few years is now (maybe) remedied.
(While the LHN network is a dismal market failure, it is NOT a failure for ESPN. It did what they wanted it to do - it kept the Fox partnered PAC 12 from expanding.)
I do feel the need to correct your assumption that our DTV bills are going to UT. In fact, they are going to ESPN. ESPN is contractually obligated to pay UT a set amount despite the dismal (market) failure of the network. The fact that now, three years into its existence, they were finally able to give it away is meaningful for you guys only in that your serious exposure problem from the last few years is now (maybe) remedied.
(While the LHN network is a dismal market failure, it is NOT a failure for ESPN. It did what they wanted it to do - it kept the Fox partnered PAC 12 from expanding.)
This post was edited on 1/21/15 at 11:42 am
Posted on 1/21/15 at 11:50 am to Mirthomatic
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The money ESPN is paying UTx is coming out of their own profits. They are eating it themselves. Why? Because they ARE still making money off the B12 as a whole,
not sure the math adds up, they have to pay for the rights for the tiered games they pick up, so they have to recoup that cost from those games, and pay for the LHN.
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So while the LHN is a money loser, it's a drop in the bucket for ESPN
I'm not convinced the 40 million a year is the "drop in the bucket" you seem to think it is.
This post was edited on 1/21/15 at 11:52 am
Posted on 1/21/15 at 11:53 am to Tennessee Jed
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Take them back, please
Posted on 1/21/15 at 11:58 am to unbanmepls
hey! what's that I see in the rear view mirror????
oh look, it's the days of LSU/Tenn being an SEC power...
Posted on 1/21/15 at 12:09 pm to Jagd Tiger
I was only referring to A&M, but now that I think about it they can have y'all back too.
Posted on 1/21/15 at 12:22 pm to Jagd Tiger
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but a restructuring of the PAC, (not unlike the SEC when Aggie/MU joined) would allow networks to bid for tiered rights,
No, not at all. Part of the whole plan for the PAC was to basically take two of its Tiers- the third and most of the second- completely off the market! Scott wanted his own network from the start, and THAT (real competition in the market) is what scares ESPN. Currently the PAC Network is not on DirecTV I don't think. With Texas in that conference it would be.
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Certainly, but likewise the "other side" of that coin is that the value of assets that ESPN already holds, like most of the SEC and ACC product content, would also "go up".... rising tide.. all boats, etc.
Exactly right, that is ESPN's problem. They don't buy anything- they lease it for period of a time. So if the value of something they have goes up that doesn't benefit them-they already paid for it. It just hurts when it is time to renew the lease.
Kinda like me and my house. Now that I bought the house and its a done deal I DON'T want the property value to shoot up immediately because that means higher taxes. Maybe it also means my house is more valuable years later when I want to sell, but maybe not as the market could crash before then. All a higher value guaranteed does is make me pay more in taxes today.
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I'm not convinced the 40 million a year is the "drop in the bucket" you seem to think it is.
Total ESPN revenues are $10.3 billion a year. Heck they are paying $225 million per year for half of the PAC games not on the PAC Network. 40 million is chump change to Mr. Mickey Mouse, especially when you figure a PAC 16 could have demanded rates twice as high.
Posted on 1/21/15 at 12:55 pm to Spindicus Lofrus
Now you've gone and PISSED off the little Bro's man...
Posted on 1/21/15 at 12:57 pm to Jagd Tiger
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not sure the math adds up, they have to pay for the rights for the tiered games they pick up, so they have to recoup that cost from those games, and pay for the LHN.
How can you say the math doesn't add up? Do you have figures?
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I'm not convinced the 40 million a year is the "drop in the bucket" you seem to think it is.
Where are you getting $40M a year? LHN is a $300M contract for 20 years. That's $15M a year.
Posted on 1/21/15 at 1:11 pm to Jagd Tiger
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I'm not convinced the 40 million a year is the "drop in the bucket" you seem to think it is.
ESPN doesn't pay $40 milli a year for the LHN. It's about half that.
Posted on 1/21/15 at 2:40 pm to Dr RC
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I have ever seen on TV though was switching over to watch a panel of sip players "analyze" the Arkie game as it happened and get to see them get drunk on TV and essentially agree "Damn, we suck
Who was the dude with the big beard? He was fo sho drunk and got so pissed he would go silent for several minutes at a time.
Bearded dude was Casey Stoddard. Other highlights were Vince Young looking completely lost as usual and staring off in to space. Ricky Williams coming in and out of the show and looking stoned as usual. Most of the other old sips talking about how it was back in the day to play "Texas Football" and basically saying this team had no pride. Honestly it was an SNL skit waiting to happen.
It did make me think it would be all kinds of awesome to do something similar with the SEC except get half the guys from each school sitting on a couch drinking beer watching the teams play. Love to see Bo and Herschel smack talk during AU/Georgia for instance. It would basically be the Heisman House IRL.
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