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re: Article: Johnny Manziel's 'crimes' are apparently worse than Jeremy Hill's
Posted on 8/10/13 at 9:03 pm to LSUANDY25
Posted on 8/10/13 at 9:03 pm to LSUANDY25
There is nothing worse or more selfish for an amateur team sport player than accepting money
I cannot believe you typed that with a straight face.
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Actually TBird, if u dont understand that any team sport amateur accepting money from anyone much less a creepy autograph broker is the ultimate selfish behavior then I m done arguing the point with u.
Obviously u have no idea about college athletics, if u dont understand that.
Every big time college football player has been offered big time money, but 99% of them said no. But not Johnny. And there are people arguing on his behalf.
If u didnt appreciate me bringing up the military part of A&M regarding this, thats one thing. But unfortunately the leaders of A&M have an obligation more so than others IMO.
I cannot believe you typed that with a straight face.
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Actually TBird, if u dont understand that any team sport amateur accepting money from anyone much less a creepy autograph broker is the ultimate selfish behavior then I m done arguing the point with u.
Obviously u have no idea about college athletics, if u dont understand that.
Every big time college football player has been offered big time money, but 99% of them said no. But not Johnny. And there are people arguing on his behalf.
If u didnt appreciate me bringing up the military part of A&M regarding this, thats one thing. But unfortunately the leaders of A&M have an obligation more so than others IMO.
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Posted on 8/10/13 at 9:05 pm to labamafan
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know how I know some of you are very young or still don't have a job. If you work and are not a student, go up to a guy punch him one time hard from behind and see of you still have a job.
I am not saying your wouldn't i am saying to you think you should be? Fights happen, shite happens.
Posted on 8/10/13 at 9:08 pm to LSUANDY25
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Actually TBird, if u dont understand that any team sport amateur accepting money from anyone much less a creepy autograph broker is the ultimate selfish behavior then I m done arguing the point with u.
You said "worse or more selfish." I'm saying there's plenty worse. It's common knowledge that it's selfish. I've said as much about JFF in other threads.
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Every big time college football player has been offered big time money, but 99% of them said no.
There is no way that you know that with any degree of certainty. To say otherwise is bullshite.
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If u didnt appreciate me bringing up the military part of A&M regarding this, thats one thing.
You can bring up whatever the hell you wish to bring up. I was using your statement to point out a bit of hypocrisy some have (not you, necessarily), when it comes to A&M claiming a military heritage.
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But unfortunately the leaders of A&M have an obligation more so than others IMO.
The leaders of A&M are going to do what's best for the school, same as LSU's. All this righteous indignation on your part is poppycock, I must say. They're cooperating with the investigation, and the leadership of both schools will make decisions that will hopefully have the least mitigating effect on both institutions.
Posted on 8/10/13 at 9:46 pm to supersaints9
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FYI, No I don't go around cold cocking drunk people for running their mouth, but I'm also not gonna pretend what it would be like to be black and somebody call me the "N" word.
Ok here's where I am calling bull crap. Ever time one of these players pick your school get in a fight the standard go to Is he called me a n$$$r. Are you white and If so how many 6''1 black athletes at 220 lbs have you called a a N&&&&. I mean is this like a white Olympic event or something. So you really think white college guys drunk or not go aroun calling these guys racial slurs. Give me a break, mcClain got in a fight for supposedly someone calling him that. Are you in the habit of calling a 6'4 250lb black guy that? It's a crutch to allow thugs to behave any way they want to because they're a great athlete. Besides the punch isnt my biggest issue. It is jus an indicator to this guys behavior. He was never remorseful he did any of it, only sorry he got caught and almost got in trouble.
Posted on 8/10/13 at 9:48 pm to labamafan
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Ok here's where I am calling bull crap. Ever time one of these players pick your school get in a fight the standard go to Is he called me a n$$$r. Are you white and If so how many 6''1 black athletes at 220 lbs have you called a a N&&&&. I mean is this like a white Olympic event or something. So you really think white college guys drunk or not go aroun calling these guys racial slurs. Give me a break, mcClain got in a fight for supposedly someone calling him that. Are you in the habit of calling a 6'4 250lb black guy that? It's a crutch to allow thugs to behave any way they want to because they're a great athlete.
Uh........people get drunk and say stupid shite. Not a crutch, sorry.
Posted on 8/10/13 at 9:50 pm to TbirdSpur2010
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Uh........people get drunk and say stupid shite. Not a crutch, sorry.
I don't know about you but I am bullet proof when I am drunk
Posted on 8/10/13 at 9:54 pm to LSUNV
I've had drunk white guys call my brother and I the N word before--and we're not small guys at all
It happens--I get bulletproof just like you, NV
It happens--I get bulletproof just like you, NV
Posted on 8/10/13 at 9:56 pm to TbirdSpur2010
People tend to over react. Two of my best friends are black guys. They are cool as shite. We always pick at each other
Posted on 8/10/13 at 10:00 pm to LSUNV
I'm usually the first one to make an off-color race joke. Takes a LOT to actually get on my bad side. Helps that I'm not an angry drunk, I guess.
Yup.
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People tend to over react.
Yup.
Posted on 8/10/13 at 10:02 pm to LSUNV
I got hummers from freshman chicks all the time when I was a senior.
Why?
It was super easy.
Anyway, the reality is that most every man on this board has done or wanted to do the very exact same thing. Though there could be varying reasons as to why they did not.
A) simply to uncool
B) small penis
C) scared
D) gay
Why?
It was super easy.
Anyway, the reality is that most every man on this board has done or wanted to do the very exact same thing. Though there could be varying reasons as to why they did not.
A) simply to uncool
B) small penis
C) scared
D) gay
Posted on 8/10/13 at 10:02 pm to TbirdSpur2010
I stand by that as the most selfish thing a fellow amateur teammate can do. That is preached daily as the one thing not to do. We arent talking laws or morality we are talking inside a football locker room.
U know that place where Johnny would be listening and publicly agreeing with this daily. Im saying that theres not anything worse, much less plenty worse. A military man should understand this.
In the much bigger scope of life, yes killing or raping someone is way worse but that is only going to affect that one player not everyone else. He will have to answer for that by himself.
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The leaders of A&M are going to do what's best for the school, same as LSU's. All this righteous indignation on your part is poppycock, I must say. They're cooperating with the investigation, and the leadership of both schools will make decisions that will hopefully have the least mitigating effect on both institutions.
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One school is deciding on one kids future that isnt going to affect the rest of the school either way. The other school is gambling with the entire institution by protecting this one kid for money.
The A&M leaders continue to coddle and protect this one guy so they can line their own pockets and subject the rest of these players and student body to NCAA probation and bowl bans. Keep preaching academics and life lessons but continue to show the world that what u actually practice is economics. Just admit it and move on. There will be plenty that will agree with u anyway.
I didnt realize that u think Johnny is a douche.
My apologies for assuming you were coddling this 20 year old " boy." Which is the point here isnt it?
U know that place where Johnny would be listening and publicly agreeing with this daily. Im saying that theres not anything worse, much less plenty worse. A military man should understand this.
In the much bigger scope of life, yes killing or raping someone is way worse but that is only going to affect that one player not everyone else. He will have to answer for that by himself.
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The leaders of A&M are going to do what's best for the school, same as LSU's. All this righteous indignation on your part is poppycock, I must say. They're cooperating with the investigation, and the leadership of both schools will make decisions that will hopefully have the least mitigating effect on both institutions.
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One school is deciding on one kids future that isnt going to affect the rest of the school either way. The other school is gambling with the entire institution by protecting this one kid for money.
The A&M leaders continue to coddle and protect this one guy so they can line their own pockets and subject the rest of these players and student body to NCAA probation and bowl bans. Keep preaching academics and life lessons but continue to show the world that what u actually practice is economics. Just admit it and move on. There will be plenty that will agree with u anyway.
I didnt realize that u think Johnny is a douche.
My apologies for assuming you were coddling this 20 year old " boy." Which is the point here isnt it?
This post was edited on 8/10/13 at 10:24 pm
Posted on 8/10/13 at 10:04 pm to LSUNV
Ftr I am not a small guy and I have never called a black guy that drunk or sober, but if I did he certainly wouldn't look like these athletes do. I am not saying the players use it, but the first thing fans say is he got in a fight because this white guy called him that. I don't buy it, it's an excuse used to approve of our favorite athletes behaviors.
Posted on 8/10/13 at 10:04 pm to JayDeerTay84
Yes I would say this is true
Posted on 8/10/13 at 10:07 pm to SammyTiger
Yes I think physical altercations at work should be handled with firings. I have worked construction jobs so I've seen it. All that happens is it festers because the guy that loses feels punked and retribution has to happen. Again I understand defending yourself but that wasn't defending himself it was taking advantage of someone weaker.
Posted on 8/10/13 at 10:12 pm to LSUANDY25
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inside a football locker room.
U know that place where Johnny would be listening and publicly agreeing with this daily.
"Daily"? They're allowed to have lives outside of football.
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In the much bigger scope of life, yes killing or raping someone is way worse but that is only going to affect that one player not everyone else. He will have to answer for that by himself.
Not true at all. Getting kicked off a team for killing or raping someone affects everyone else, too.
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If the A&M leaders are going to coddle and protect this guy so they can line their own pockets and subject the rest of these players and student body to NCAA probation and bowl bans, then keep preaching academics and life lessons but continue to show the world that what u actually practice is economics.
Yeah, A&M is big, bad, and evil.
News flash. Every bigtime college football school is out to do the exact same thing--protect their biggest assets: boosters and football players. Including your beloved LSU. No one is exempt here. Everyone practices economics. And A&M is hardly the only school to espouse a moral standard. Does that make the school hypocritical? Hell yes, just like everyone else in this game. It's NOT right, but it also is what it is, so any righteous indignation should be directed across the board.
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Which is the point here isnt it?
I'm really not sure what point you were trying to make, to be honest. If you really think a player raping or killing someone doesn't affect everyone else the same as accepting money for autographs, I'm speechless at your position.
Posted on 8/10/13 at 10:12 pm to JayDeerTay84
Y'all oversimplify it, and last ill say it wasn't simply a senior and freshman. It was an 18 yr old and a 14 yr old. Whether she was promiscuous is irrelevant. She's not mature enough to make that decision. You put it in terms of senior and freshman because when you say 18 and 14 the reality of the situation has to be addressed.
Posted on 8/10/13 at 10:14 pm to labamafan
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I am not saying the players use it, but the first thing fans say is he got in a fight because this white guy called him that. I don't buy it, it's an excuse used to approve of our favorite athletes behaviors.
I don't buy that, having been on the receiving end of said epithets in and outside of said environments, I'm sorry.
Posted on 8/10/13 at 10:18 pm to TbirdSpur2010
While I agree it sends a bad message to demonize making money off your name moreso than battery and statutory rape, Hill also hasn't made a habit of making headlines outside of those two instances.
In the end, I'd probably rather have a guy with a "rap" sheet like Hill's on my team only because the NCAA doesn't do shite about stuff like that. However, I wouldn't want my daughter anywhere near that POS.
In the end, I'd probably rather have a guy with a "rap" sheet like Hill's on my team only because the NCAA doesn't do shite about stuff like that. However, I wouldn't want my daughter anywhere near that POS.
Posted on 8/10/13 at 10:22 pm to Roger Klarvin
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While I agree it sends a bad message to demonize making money off your name moreso than battery and statutory rape, Hill also hasn't made a habit of making headlines outside of those two instances.
Agreed, but irrelevant.
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In the end, I'd probably rather have a guy with a "rap" sheet like Hill's on my team only because the NCAA doesn't do shite about stuff like that.
Bingo. From a self-serving, completely football-oriented perspective, I agree.
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However, I wouldn't want my daughter anywhere near that POS.
They're there to play football, not be role models. Hell, I wish every Aggie that came through the program was like Jerrod Johnson or Mark Dodge, but that's never going to be the case at A&M or any other major school.
Posted on 8/10/13 at 10:31 pm to TbirdSpur2010
I know, my point was more that I'd rather my kid be running with a douche like Manziel over the guy who might hit/force himself on her.
Neither are good role models by any stretch, but Manziel's worst moral offense is being drunk and (presumably) banging skanks.
Neither are good role models by any stretch, but Manziel's worst moral offense is being drunk and (presumably) banging skanks.
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