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re: Are these new fangled QB's really the GOAT's or just products of their systems?
Posted on 11/22/13 at 4:50 pm to ThaKaptin
Posted on 11/22/13 at 4:50 pm to ThaKaptin
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So he can run around like a squirrel on crack? Pretty sure I covered that already. Thanks though.
You said that, but it doesn't coalesce with a system argument. The system is designed for him to stay still. He lead the SEC in rushing.
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Posted on 11/22/13 at 4:51 pm to TeLeFaWx
Nuh uh
Posted on 11/22/13 at 4:56 pm to TeLeFaWx
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You said that, but it doesn't coalesce with a system argument. The system is designed for him to stay still. He lead the SEC in rushing.
Tele don't inject facts into this discussion it only confuses him
Posted on 11/22/13 at 5:06 pm to DMagic
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What's traditional? Your definition is lacking like you claim I'm lacking in football knowledge.
I'm not here to explain the game of football to you. We run a traditional style offense out of multiple formations to cause confusion for the defense. It's still a traditional offense, people just sometimes line up in different spots. That's not a new concept.
If you need to know what the ins and out of football then maybe you should do some research before posting in a thread with grown ups.
Posted on 11/22/13 at 5:19 pm to TeLeFaWx
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You said that, but it doesn't coalesce with a system argument. The system is designed for him to stay still. He lead the SEC in rushing.
I never said he was a bad player, and I certainly never said he was a bad runner. But sumlins system has been known to produce retarded passing yards regardless of who is at the helm. JFF just happens to be a quick runner that can make things happen when the play breaks down.
Against, awesome player, not the GOAT
Posted on 11/22/13 at 5:36 pm to ThaKaptin
So he's not a system QB? You just proved your own initial dumb premise false. Just say what you've been dying to say that your "traditional" offense is superior. Offenses are constantly changing there's your answer.
Posted on 11/22/13 at 5:39 pm to DMagic
Nothing you just said is even close to accurate. He gets retarded passing numbers because of sumlins system. He gets retarded rushing yards because he is a great runner.
Still not the goat
Still not the goat
Posted on 11/22/13 at 5:40 pm to ThaKaptin
So he's not a system QB because he's in a passing system.
Posted on 11/22/13 at 5:41 pm to ThaKaptin
quote:I disagree, FWIW. Nick Marshall is there now, and he isn't near on the level of Cam Newton.
We have yet to see Gus's offense with an above average QB in it though other than Cam.
quote:1) Nick Marshall, not Jonathan Wallace.
Wallace is, in my opinion, looking and performing a lot better than some expected, but it's only been running the ball. He really isn't a serviceable passer to be honest. The only way he can pass the ball is when his running game puts a defense in a position to where literally anyone could throw on them. His best passing play of the year was a severely under thrown ball that was very luckily tipped up and into the receivers hands by an idiot CB that didn't know how to bat the ball down instead of up on 4th down.
2) He has shown the ability to pass. Us choosing not to pass, due to nobody stopping the run, says nothing about his lack of ability.
3) He has thrown and burnt defenses when the defense knew he had to pass (Mississippi State and LSU).
4) That wasn't his best pass of the year. It was his most meaningful, but not near his best.
Posted on 11/22/13 at 5:55 pm to TTsTowel
I meant Marshall, not Wallace. Brain fart on my part.
Posted on 11/22/13 at 5:55 pm to ThaKaptin
quote:There were two beauties like this thrown in the Auburn @ LSU game...both easily better than the miracle play against Georgia.
ThaKaptin
Posted on 11/22/13 at 5:57 pm to DMagic
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So he's not a system QB because he's in a passing system.
he IS a system quarterback because he is in sumlins system and as I said, sumlins qb's have always been seen as system quarterbacks. It had a lot to do with why keenum didn't get hardly any heisman love when he was throwing the ball for 8 trillion yards a game.
Posted on 11/22/13 at 5:59 pm to TTsTowel
When you look at his entire body of passing plays though, those are the exceptions, not the rule. He has a cannon of an arm usually, but his accuracy is terrible most of the time. Those were great plays, but they are fairly rare.
Posted on 11/22/13 at 5:59 pm to ThaKaptin
You say all that then dismiss his rushing numbers as he's a good runner. That's outside of the system therefore he's not a system QB unless you qualify that as his own system
Posted on 11/22/13 at 6:00 pm to ThaKaptin
Why can't they all just be considered great QBs? Is it really necessarily to try and classify them into a certain category that fits what you're trying to make them?
Product of their system means you can put any QB in their place and they'll preform at the same level as the original QB.. that doesn't fit Tebow, Cam, or JFF. Both UF and Auburn had set backs at QB. I imagine aTm will have some too next year.
Product of their system means you can put any QB in their place and they'll preform at the same level as the original QB.. that doesn't fit Tebow, Cam, or JFF. Both UF and Auburn had set backs at QB. I imagine aTm will have some too next year.
Posted on 11/22/13 at 6:02 pm to Rig
My man 
Posted on 11/22/13 at 6:05 pm to DMagic
I really don't understand it.
You can look at Newton, JFF, Murray, Tebow, and McCarron and tell that they have the "it" factor when it comes to a QB. I don't care what system you put any of them in, they're going to win you football games because they know how to lead by example and make plays no matter the circumstance.
You can look at Newton, JFF, Murray, Tebow, and McCarron and tell that they have the "it" factor when it comes to a QB. I don't care what system you put any of them in, they're going to win you football games because they know how to lead by example and make plays no matter the circumstance.
Posted on 11/22/13 at 6:07 pm to Rig
It was a flawed premise and definition to begin with. All of those players are exceptional regardless of the type of system they're labeled under.
Posted on 11/22/13 at 7:00 pm to Rig
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You can look at Newton, JFF, Murray, Tebow, and McCarron
The only plug and play QB on that list is Cam. Whoever said all QBs are system QBs was correct. Cam works in any system on the college level. But he is a passer who can run in the pros. AJ will have to be in a traditional pocket passing offense to succeed.
In the pros AJ will succeed in a traditional...meaning pocket passing/ hand off system, if he has the skill.
JFF has a chance to be a good pro if he retools his game. Like RG3, he'll never survive the hits if he runs around like he does in college. His ability to escape will be a plus if he learns to run smart.
ETA: GOAT doesn't exist. Best in an era maybe. But not GOAT.
This post was edited on 11/22/13 at 7:03 pm
Posted on 11/22/13 at 7:06 pm to ThaKaptin
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Are these new fangled QB's really the GOAT's or just products of their systems?
You scared.
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