re: Are these new fangled QB's really the GOAT's or just products of their systems?

I am not sure what other metrics could be used but the normal QB stats are useless nowadays. Yards, TDs, and completion % are all inflated now. Not saying it is wrong or right. Team wins are also not the only way to judge a QB.

I think it is the whole "Bo Jackson playing rugby" thing.

People are starting to be more comfortable with putting the best athlete on the field at Quarterback. The new read-option HUNH type of offenses let guys that may not have had the arm or other essential traditional QB skills to step in there, learn a few simple reads and do really well. We'll see it plateau sooner than later. Then it will become the norm, then something else will take its place.

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You can't inflate completion percentage. No matter how many times you throw it the percentage should be close, that's why it's a percentage. In fact, completion percentage is just about the only stat you can take at face value anymore because it's the only stat that can't be inflated by staying in in garbage time. Unless of course your are just playing a team that plays absolutely no passing defense at all and just let's the receivers play pitch and catch with the QB but that doesn't really happen in the sec unless you are playing aTm

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A lot of these HUNH/Spread offenses use a ton of slip screens and bubble screens. Some have them built into the offense on every play. If the defense lines up a certain way they run the screen. Those are a lot easier to complete than normal "pro style" routes. Even the offensive formations lend to easier completions due to the spacing.

Should have added RG3 as another example between Cam and Manziel.

Except that RG3's passing ability far outshines his running ability. He is really more of a black, less talented Steve young. He can excel as a pocket passer in a traditional offense but is also able to make plays with his legs. I think he is the real deal if he can stay healthy in the nfl

You absolutely can. "Traditional" offense is one with no forward pass. Alabama runs shotgun and pistol sets far too much to describe them as your generic "traditional" offense.

Traditional offenses have throw the forward pass since before your ignorant arse was born more than likely. The shogun is used in traditional offenses. Look at the nfl, they use it quite a bit. And there is literally 2 yards difference in the pistol and the single back pro formation. The QB stands 2 yards behind the center instead of right under him. The plays ran from it are identical to our plays under center. It's generally used to get the ball to the RB faster if the o line is having trouble in the trenches. We normally run it just as a variation of the single back pro form.

Nice try though

Cam is by far the best of the 3 I think so maybe he is the exception. I still don't think he is the GOAT though

frick you rocky, you been fricking with me all day

You are the only person that claims that Alabama doesn't run a traditional offense. The scheme is the same. Blocking schemes are the same. Passing routes are the same. Reading the defense is the same. All the things that make an offense what it is is the same. Sorry if your limited knowledge of football tells you otherwise