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re: Are the stadiums in the SEC secure enough?
Posted on 6/4/17 at 4:31 pm to Scoob
Posted on 6/4/17 at 4:31 pm to Scoob
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Not to stereotype, but it wouldn't draw any notice at all for someone of middle-east heritage to walk around campus in slightly nerdy clothes and a backpack, heading for the library or chemistry building, during gameday.
If they were of Middle-Eastern heritage. Before 9/11 the biggest terrorist attack in the US was by bat shite crazy right wing extremists. There was a long run of terrorist attacks in the 60's and 70's by leftist whack jobs. Every year we get our annual dosage of "people said I was going bonkers for years but we don't have insane asylums anymore" mass killers.
There is no great shortage of good ole All American boys and girls who could do something like this. Crazy comes in all the skin colors out there. That is the problem.
Let us heed the immortal words of wisdom uttered by Barney Fife. "Nip it in the bud." Follow up tips. Put someone who is a danger to themselves and the community somewhere until we can get their mind right. Keep an eye on those that need it. Be proactive about stopping this sort of thing, not reactive.
Its like the prevent defense in football. If you just sit back and let the offense pick their shots then sooner or later they are going to score.
Posted on 6/4/17 at 4:37 pm to wmr
I'm not overly familiar with other SEC gameday setups. But for LSU, something like the walk down Victory Hill is a target.
You've got thousands of people packed into close quarters, not really paying attention to their surroundings. Something like Manchester would inflict maximum damage in that setting and there's not really anything you can do to filter out the threat.
You always think about big events being targets for this kind of stuff but its not so much the event itself that's a risk, its whats been mentioned here where you've got mass crowds in unsecurable areas.
You've got thousands of people packed into close quarters, not really paying attention to their surroundings. Something like Manchester would inflict maximum damage in that setting and there's not really anything you can do to filter out the threat.
You always think about big events being targets for this kind of stuff but its not so much the event itself that's a risk, its whats been mentioned here where you've got mass crowds in unsecurable areas.
Posted on 6/4/17 at 4:49 pm to Section225
What did Timothy McVeigh look like? Maybe they will dress up like the joker?
Anyone with a damaged brain can wreak havoc
Anyone with a damaged brain can wreak havoc
Posted on 6/4/17 at 5:02 pm to ecb
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Anyone with a damaged brain can wreak havoc
This. The crazies usually choose guns to inflict damage but the occasional Timothy McVeigh might bring down the side of a stadium with a bomb.
Posted on 6/4/17 at 5:15 pm to weagle99
I've worked Auburn games before as a cop, and its definitely an eery feeling knowing that if something happens we have to act. Also, I've never been informed of a plan by the university as in what to do if something were to happen. All I know to do is tell people to run and find cover and hopefully me and the other cops that aren't cowards will find the bad guy(s) and eliminate them. It would definitely be chaos if something were too happen. On a side note it's hard to be "neutral" and not show my true colors, but I'd rather get paid to watch the game than pay to watch it.
Posted on 6/4/17 at 5:17 pm to weagle99
No sir they are not secure enough to prevent a terror attack. Even so, I refuse to stop attending games or to attend in fear of a piece of shite Muslim bitch that wants to kill innocent Americans.
Posted on 6/4/17 at 5:25 pm to ecb
As others pointed out, security at the gate does nothing for security outside the stadium or at the security checkpoint. I've long maintained that air travel is really no safer that it was pre-9/11...we've just moved the points of vulnerability or created others.
NFL stadiums allegedly have tighter security, but I swear that at the 2010 BCS Championship game in Glendale (two days after Gabby Giffords was shot in the same state) I could have gotten past the pat down with my Glock on my hip under my shirttail...dude barely touched me and didn't go lower than the bottom of my rib cage at all.
I do have a license and carry everywhere that won't get me arrested or fired (so not on gameday). Personally, I've come around to believing that every adult who legally can should do the same...terrorists will be SHOT; survivors will be SHOT AGAIN. Admittedly, that wouldn't do much to stop a truck barreling through a crowd, an IED, or the same truck barreling through the crowd laden with explosives. OTOH, it might have saved lives last night in London or a year ago at PULSE in Orlando.
NFL stadiums allegedly have tighter security, but I swear that at the 2010 BCS Championship game in Glendale (two days after Gabby Giffords was shot in the same state) I could have gotten past the pat down with my Glock on my hip under my shirttail...dude barely touched me and didn't go lower than the bottom of my rib cage at all.
I do have a license and carry everywhere that won't get me arrested or fired (so not on gameday). Personally, I've come around to believing that every adult who legally can should do the same...terrorists will be SHOT; survivors will be SHOT AGAIN. Admittedly, that wouldn't do much to stop a truck barreling through a crowd, an IED, or the same truck barreling through the crowd laden with explosives. OTOH, it might have saved lives last night in London or a year ago at PULSE in Orlando.
Posted on 6/4/17 at 5:34 pm to StringedInstruments
The reality is there's no way you can have adequate security for an event like that. If terrorists wanted to find a hole in the security and penetrate it, they will. It's that simple. Some of these cells have very sophisticated backing. They could fake enough stuff to get where they wanted. Read Tom Clancey's "The Sum of All Fears" and translate that to an SEC venue.
Posted on 6/4/17 at 5:36 pm to agswin
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Terrorist would never attack a LSU game. All the fans are bombed before they get to the stadium and there are exactly zero virgins available.
I know you thought this clever as you typed this.
it's not (but it is kinda funny )
Posted on 6/4/17 at 5:41 pm to phil4bama
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The reality is there's no way you can have adequate security for an event like that. If terrorists wanted to find a hole in the security and penetrate it, they will. It's that simple
there are many, many places that you cannot have adequate security to prevent attacts. hell, the local mall, any state fair, any school, etc, etc.
that's why our security in the US is based on profiling and penetrating muslim groups with plants and other types of intel (like cell phone, internet usage, citizen tips, etc).
Posted on 6/4/17 at 5:42 pm to Glorious
I memeber last time I was up for a LSU game, there is a freeeekin Mosque 2-3 Blocks from BDS. I was SHOCKED! How did that shite happen? Prime real estate and the muzzies moved in and did that???? Money from the middle east I am sure.
Posted on 6/4/17 at 5:47 pm to Broadside Bob
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I do have a license and carry everywhere
well goody for you. If you can't see the dangers of allowing weapon carrying fans into a large venue, esp a sports venue or drinking venue then there's not much to say to you.
in a way, we are damned if we do and damned if we don't. but people carrying glocks aren't going to prevent guys with military assault rifles and explosives from wrecking havoc before they are shot.
Posted on 6/4/17 at 5:59 pm to LSU GrandDad
Soft targets is what they will go after. Stadiums are harder and a lot of security.
A crazy person with a bomb or automatic weapon can sadly cause a lot of damage outside the stadium.
A crazy person with a bomb or automatic weapon can sadly cause a lot of damage outside the stadium.
Posted on 6/4/17 at 6:07 pm to Ghost of Colby
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rented Uhaul
I don't know about other campuses but how would it get on the campus at LSU?
Posted on 6/4/17 at 6:24 pm to weagle99
Someone hell-bent on causing the worst case scenario wouldn't have to get as close as the stadium.
Tens of thousands of fans tailgating outside in unsecured areas wouldn't be hard to target.
People just have to watch and trust their guts.
Tens of thousands of fans tailgating outside in unsecured areas wouldn't be hard to target.
People just have to watch and trust their guts.
Posted on 6/4/17 at 6:29 pm to allin2010
Agreed. I've always said that mardi gras on bourbon street with all of the people crowded in there with practically no room to move in an open street is a high risk for terrorism. They're such a bunch of cowards. Targeted a concert with a buncha women and little girls in the audience. They make me sick. That's the kind of cowards they are though, in a straight up war majority of them drop their guns and surrender or plant ieds...theyre pussies. Theres a special place in hell for those bastards .
This post was edited on 6/4/17 at 6:35 pm
Posted on 6/4/17 at 6:35 pm to LSU GrandDad
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If you can't see the dangers of allowing weapon carrying fans into a large venue, esp a sports venue or drinking venue then there's not much to say to you
First of all, you misquoted me, I think I said everywhere I legally can. Nor did I advocate for carrying inside the game; I just said I could have, and the "security" guy who "frisked" me would have been none the wiser. Reread my post sir.
Second, my experience is that those who choose to carry a weapon are generally more respectful and law abiding than those who do not (we seek to avoid confrontations and are not the ones smuggling in alcohol). Moot point anyway, whether you agree or disagree, I don't think it will ever be allowed at a college football game, and yes, I am aware that there was a bill in the Arkansas legislature this year.
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drinking venue
I might have A beer when I'm out, but any more than that and my house is my "drinking venue." Just being in a bar does not mean you're getting smashed.
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people carrying glocks aren't going to prevent guys with military assault rifles
Admittedly, you're outgunned, but maybe you'd prefer harsh words or just waiting 8 minutes for the cops (on a good day)?
Posted on 6/4/17 at 7:05 pm to AUlock54
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Also, I've never been informed of a plan by the university as in what to do if something were to happen
That is disappointing. And probably commonplace.
Posted on 6/4/17 at 7:29 pm to Broadside Bob
calm down Bob. I reread your post and see where you carry where you legally can. I am not trying to be political; I carry also. but if it becomes legal to carry in a stadium I will never walk in one again; whereas you and most of those I have met with concealing licenses are very responsible I have met more than one that strap the gun on an their whole personality change. the become Wyatt Earp. give them some booze and the referee makes a questionalble call and no telling what would happen. can you imagine going to a bama game and cheering for LSU?
like I said, you're damned if you do and dammed if you don't. Militarily speaking, you can't stop these people in time to prevent disaster once they've arrived in the area.
like I said, you're damned if you do and dammed if you don't. Militarily speaking, you can't stop these people in time to prevent disaster once they've arrived in the area.
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Admittedly, you're outgunned, but maybe you'd prefer harsh words or just waiting 8 minutes for the cops (on a good day)?
c'mon man, i'm not some left winger. I am only applying common sense. I MAY avoid a venue out of fear of terrorist attack but I MOST DEFINATELY would avoid one with 100,000 drunk fans packing.
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