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re: Anyone read "Horns, Hogs, & Nixon Coming: Texas vs. Arkansas in Dixie's..."

Posted on 12/12/14 at 7:47 pm to
Posted by Arkla Missy
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Posted on 12/12/14 at 7:47 pm to
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Tbird

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But I'm damn glad I'm alive today and not in the 50s/60s

Me too, Tbird. ... And I'm also glad things have changed drastically since those times. Since I'm a bit older than most of y'all here (although I wasn't here yet in '69 ), I'm old enough to have seen much of those changes. I remember, even in the late 70s, when I was very young, things were still pretty different than today. Although it seems like forever ago, it really hasn't been that long since segregation was the norm. We for sure still have a ways to go with certain issues, but have come a long way in changes of attitudes & hearts in a relatively short amount of time. ... And speaking of time, Mr. Broyles probly doesn't have that much left. As I said, he's about 150 yrs. old, so hopefully his attitude & heart have changed a bit.
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Porky

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Back in those days, I couldn't stand Barry Switzer. It wasn't until I read his book, 'Bootlegger's Boy', that I was able to get a glimpse of the real Barry Switzer. I can't help but like the guy now. He's quite a character and is brutally honest with himself. At least he comes across that way in the book.

Well, I can understand how people didn't like Barry before they knew him, what he was about, & his background. I've always liked & respected him, but I grew up in & my family is from the same town that he was raised, so I've always known about his struggles, first hand, & what he had to overcome. It is truly miraculous. My uncles went to school, played sports, & graduated with him. They were all very good friends. One of my aunts married Barry's uncle, so I always knew of him & his family growing up. The last time I saw him was at my grandfather's funeral.

We also lived next door to his best friend from our hometown, so we'd see him when he came to visit. He even let me wear (for a few minutes) one of his Okie championship rings when I was very young. I was soooo excited. ... When the neighbors were out of town, we also were the "lucky" ones who got to dog-sit "Boomer," their Husky given to them by Barry - sweet dog, but way too strong for little kids to try to feed. I got knocked down every time. :lol: ... As a matter of fact, we were living beside the neighbors who went to the '78 Orange Bowl, and the family was split on who they were rooting for. Barry's friend, the dad, was pulling for the Sooners while the rest were die-hard Hogs. Needless to say, the dad got it rubbed in his face the entire way home. :lol:

But yes, Barry had about one of the most horrendous childhoods anyone could ever have, and there are many things about it that aren't told in the book, but people who knew him & his family and are from his hometown remember, which is why he is admired & respected by those who do. Most people who have been through half of what he has would/could not even dream about the success he's had or even of being a normal, productive member of the community. Whether people agree with what he did at OK or not, he certainly deserves respect for going through what he did and not give up on life, basically, but go on to have a wonderful career & much success. If people read the book or know a bit about his background, they would realize why he did some of the things he did at OK - right or wrong - and for him, they were the right things to do, even if they did break the rules. I respect that he owns up to that & doesn't lie about it, as well.
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Posted by In Fidel Cashflow
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Posted on 12/12/14 at 7:51 pm to
Should be a good read. Will be a good addition to my library.
Posted by TbirdSpur2010
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Posted on 12/12/14 at 7:51 pm to
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I'm also glad things have changed drastically since those times. Since I'm a bit older than most of y'all here (although I wasn't here yet in '69 ), I'm old enough to have seen much of those changes. I remember, even in the late 70s, when I was very young, things were still pretty different than today. Although it seems like forever ago, it really hasn't been that long since segregation was the norm. We for sure still have a ways to go with certain issues, but have come a long way in changes of attitudes & hearts in a relatively short amount of time


I agree, it's truly remarkable when you stop and think about the near-180 that's occurred when it comes to general race relations in basically half a century. That kind of societal change is practically unheard of in human history, and things are only getting better in that regard (Ferguson be damned).

Must be rather gratifying to witness the change from your perspective, having lived some of those different times. The current status quo is something I feel my peers take for granted far too often.
Posted by Porky
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Posted on 12/12/14 at 9:53 pm to
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I saw him in Austin when he was coach of the Cowboys. I had a 1969 Cadillac (it was silver, not orange) with a horn that through various trumpets installed in the grill played The Eyes of Texas. You get it from J.C. Whitney.


I'll try to remember and piss on something in Austin the next time I'm down that way in memory of Tony Jones catching that end zone pass in the final seconds of that game in L.R. too.

BTW, Sorry to hear about James Street's death last year. He was liked by many (Hogs and Horns) from what I understand.
This post was edited on 12/12/14 at 10:16 pm
Posted by Porky
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Posted on 12/12/14 at 10:06 pm to
I was fortunate enough to be raised by parents and grandparents with good social values back then. I was blessed to have had many people (who weren't white) in my life who had a profound influence and taught me good social values as well, even though life wasn't necessarily fair to them at the time.
This post was edited on 12/13/14 at 11:27 am
Posted by Arkla Missy
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Posted on 12/13/14 at 2:13 am to
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I agree, it's truly remarkable when you stop and think about the near-180 that's occurred when it comes to general race relations in basically half a century. That kind of societal change is practically unheard of in human history, and things are only getting better in that regard (Ferguson be damned).

You're absolutely right about the turnaround of race relations in this country from the 50s & 60s compared to today being pretty amazing for such a short time span, particularly considering that prejudice & bigotry were so widespread and generally accepted & considered to be the norm in our society. It's a bit strange, though, because on one hand, it is sickening to think that it was not so long ago that things were so unbelievably discriminatory, but on the other, it's something to be proud of, a pretty great accomplishment, that we've turned things around in such a small period of time and have gotten to this point in our society regarding race relations - something that, as you said, is historically almost unheard of. We've got more to do, but we're so far from where we were even since I was a young child.

Honestly, I believe that sports - predominately football, I would think - has helped tremendously with that. How could it not? Important values, character, & life lessons stem from something that brings kids of all races together from a young age and instills & develops not only good physical habits & conditioning, but also discipline & mental conditioning. Most importantly, though, is probably teamwork - working together for a common goal, having each others' backs, learning to have respect for each other & authority, and forming close bonds with teammates - is extremely beneficial to the participants & is carried on throughout their lives.
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Must be rather gratifying to witness the change from your perspective, having lived some of those different times. The current status quo is something I feel my peers take for granted far too often.

It is extremely gratifying, yet odd, in a way. Like I said earlier, it's a little cringe-worthy to think of how just a few short decades ago, things were very different than they are today. While I wasn't around for the more blatant bigotry, I do remember certain things that were considered acceptable, which, thankfully, by today's standards would be mortifying.

As someone, I think Porky, posted earlier, our family values had much to do with what was acceptable & not, and in my family, right & wrong were very distinguishable; there weren't too many shades of gray. Even being born & raised in the South to a southern family during the 70s, I was taught, as were all the children in my family, from day one, that people were not to be judged by their skin color, regardless of what might be acceptable to the community at the time - that was just wrong. I saw that my parents & grandparents treated everyone equally, regardless of race, so my siblings & I never thought anything differently about people of other races; we never thought about skin color at all, even if some in the community did. But on the whole, most decent families in the town where I grew up raised their children that way. For the most part, only the ignorant, unintelligent hicks, whom people with any class didn't want to associate with anyway, raised their children to be bigoted & prejudiced.

However, even during the late 70s when I was in lower elementary school, maybe 1st or 2nd grade, there was still some rather flagrant racism in our community. My teacher actually called my mother at home one evening to inform her that I was playing with two little black girls a lot at recess - maybe too much - and perhaps I should play on the swings with little "Sally" or "Susie" a bit more & not jump rope so much with "them." Unbelievable. My mother basically laughed in her ear, told my teacher not to bother her again with trivial crap - that she should have more important things to tend to, such as prepare a lesson plan or grade papers, & hung up. ... Those 2 girls remained my good friends throughout school, and I believe our elementary teacher lived long enough to see that one of those girls became a pediatrician & the other an attorney & municipal judge.
This post was edited on 12/13/14 at 2:37 am
Posted by Person of interest
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Posted on 12/13/14 at 8:02 am to
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Back in those days, I couldn't stand Barry Switzer. It wasn't until I read his book, 'Bootlegger's Boy', that I was able to get a glimpse of the real Barry Switzer. I can't help but like the guy now. He's quite a character and is brutally honest with himself. At least he comes across that way in the book.



One of my favorite Switzer fact/myths is that he
tended bar at Rogers Rec on Dickson to supplement his income when he was an assistant at Arkansas. Can only imagine that crazy fricker tending bar back then.


Was he one of the last coaches to smoke on the sidelines?
This post was edited on 12/13/14 at 8:11 am
Posted by Arksulli
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Posted on 12/13/14 at 9:06 am to
God I miss Roger's Rec. I could see Switzer fitting in just fine there.
Posted by Porky
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Posted on 12/13/14 at 10:35 am to
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One of my favorite Switzer fact/myths is that he
tended bar at Rogers Rec on Dickson to supplement his income when he was an assistant at Arkansas. Can only imagine that crazy fricker tending bar back then.

He may have worked at the Delux back then. I'll look back in the book and see if it's mentioned.
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Was he one of the last coaches to smoke on the sidelines?

I don't know but it wouldn't surprise me. That kind of thing with coaches was waning by the 70's. But it seems like most people smoked back in those days. I know a lot of students smoked in class and in some smaller classes, some students would bring their dogs along if a professor would allow it and if the dog was well behaved. And I don't remember any dogs misbehaving but they were usually the larger, more easy-going breeds. Apparently, they figured out what was going on, would get bored and just go to sleep...which was cool. Times have changed.
This post was edited on 12/13/14 at 11:01 am
Posted by Person of interest
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Posted on 12/13/14 at 10:58 am to
I think they used to take bets back in the day at the Delux.
This post was edited on 12/13/14 at 10:59 am
Posted by Porky
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Posted on 12/13/14 at 11:02 am to
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I think they used to take bets back in the day at the Delux.

More than likely.
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Posted by hawgfaninc
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Posted on 12/13/14 at 11:05 am to
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Damn I was hogsessed back then. Glad LSU fans have taken that torch.

Posted by Arkla Missy
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Posted on 12/13/14 at 11:12 am to
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Was he one of the last coaches to smoke on the sidelines?

Idk who else did, but I remember Barry smoking, and he was always crouched down like he was trying to hide when I saw him do it at a game. I'm sure I thought nothing of it since almost every adult I knew back then smoked.



LINK SoonerFans.com

The comments about Barry smoking & Stoops are hilarious ...

"He would probably get our games rated R today."

"I think the NCAA declared Barry, as a person, to be a violation of NCAA rules."
This post was edited on 12/13/14 at 11:14 am
Posted by Person of interest
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Posted on 12/13/14 at 11:29 am to
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The comments about Barry smoking & Stoops are hilarious ...


"It was always kind of endearing to watch Barry and his staff, toward the end of the typical 'Sooner Magic' 4th Qtr comeback, pacing the sidelines, smoking butts.
Friggin' black hattted trailer trash. God love 'Em."

I really can't stand OU fans, but that is funny.
This post was edited on 12/13/14 at 11:30 am
Posted by Porky
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Posted on 12/13/14 at 11:30 am to
I think that's the reason I perhaps don't recall it as vividly...almost everyone seemed to do it, so it wasn't that strange at the time.

Great pic BTW!

Here's one of Len Dawson:
LINK

I can remember some professional athletes doing cigarette commercials.
This post was edited on 12/13/14 at 11:39 am
Posted by Ole Geauxt
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Posted on 12/13/14 at 12:38 pm to
alex?
Posted by Person of interest
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Posted on 12/13/14 at 1:12 pm to
Posted by Arkla Missy
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Posted on 12/13/14 at 5:52 pm to
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"Friggin' black hattted trailer trash. God love 'Em."
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I really can't stand OU fans, but that is funny.



I'll have to remember that one. Unfortunately, it applies to some in the general vicinity where I presently reside. ... I've never much cared for Okie fans either - they're in the same classification as the horns, but yes, that is hysterical.

And is it just me, or does Mickey Mantle look like a young John Elway in that pic??? HA! ... I think everyone from the age of 15 was smoking back then. Hell, I remember my mom giving me $1.00 to go into the corner store when I was about 10 or 11 to get my dad a couple of packs of Winstons. ... Amazing that pro athletes smoked like they did and had the stamina & endurance to play at that level. I think people were just tougher or something back in the day.
Posted by Arkla Missy
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Posted on 12/13/14 at 6:10 pm to
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Here's one of Len Dawson:

This pic is awesome!! ... And during the fricking Super Bowl!! Lmao ... Cigarettes were so socially acceptable back then, even the players got smoke breaks at halftime.



That's what I mean about athletes just seeming more badass back in the day. Len's all dirty, sweaty, & disheveled with grass stains & mud from shoulder pads to socks, taking a hard draw off that cig ... and drinking a tall boy bottled Fresca, like a boss.
This post was edited on 12/13/14 at 6:11 pm
Posted by TbirdSpur2010
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Posted on 12/13/14 at 7:27 pm to
That pic is iconic
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