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re: Antoine Mason officially transferring to Auburn (basketball)
Posted on 6/11/14 at 11:57 am to Mizzou Fan in Da ATX
Posted on 6/11/14 at 11:57 am to Mizzou Fan in Da ATX
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There's nothing objectively or subjectively that can rate Anderson's performance at Arky as better in any way than Haith's performance at Mizzou, just nothing.
Arkansas' record has gotten better every year with Anderson, Mizzou's got worse every year with Haith.
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Posted on 6/11/14 at 12:01 pm to Stonehog
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Arkansas' record has gotten better every year with Anderson, Mizzou's got worse every year with Haith.
I will take getting worse record wise from 2012 to 2013 but still making the NCAA tournament both years as opposed to "improving" record wise from one year to the next but wallowing in the NIT both years any day.
If Haith had had 3 straight NIT or worse years at Mizzou like Anderson has at Arky he would have been fired, period. We don't give a rat's arse about "improving" one year to the next if its an NIT or worse season, all we feel is shame and a need to correct it. There was a magical time called the mid-1990s that I know Arky fans used to think the same way. Sad how times have changed.
This post was edited on 6/11/14 at 12:02 pm
Posted on 6/11/14 at 12:01 pm to Stonehog
Bottom line guys and I hate it, Auburn has the 3rd best basketball coach in the SEC.
They're going to some Sweet 16's and
Elite 8's and maybe Final 4's in their future.. 
They're going to some Sweet 16's and
Elite 8's and maybe Final 4's in their future.. 
Posted on 6/11/14 at 12:01 pm to Mizzou Fan in Da ATX
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This really makes no sense. When Haith took the job in 2012, Anderson left him with a roster that would have had only 3 scholarship players coming back for the 2013 season. Haith proceeded to add several talented transfers in Alex Oriahki, Jabari Brown, Earnest Ross etc, and after going 30-5 and making the NCAA tournament with Anderson's senior class in 2012, Haith took his group of transfers and made the NCAA tournament AGAIN in 2013. Haith did not deplete the roster, he took a vacant roster and turned it into an NCAA tournament team in one year's worth of recruiting.
You ignored what was stated.
Anderson didn't have any open spots, had to pull a scholly and was blasted for it in the media. That isn't a depleted roster.
Haith chose to take transfers instead of recruit and develop players that is on him, not Anderson.
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Funnier still that Haith went to the NCAA tournament twice in that time span at Mizzou while Anderson and Arkansas have continued to wallow in NIT-or-worse mediocrity every single year. Funnier still how Haith won 75% of his games against Anderson in that span with the lone loss coming by 2 points or so on a controverial home cookin' call at Arky. There's nothing objectively or subjectively that can rate Anderson's performance at Arky as better in any way than Haith's performance at Mizzou, just nothing. Haith made NCAA tournaments and raised conference trophies. Anderson's done none of that at Arky in the same time period.
Haith took over a Mizzou program in their glory years, was on an eventual school streak for NCAA appearances and had recently reached the program's pinnacle, the elite 8.
Arkansas' program was closer to the program Mike inherited at Mizzou from Snyder, but in a worse situation due to APR penalties that had the program close to a loss in practice time and post season ban instead of just a lost scholarship. At that time the starting PG was ineligible for play and was eventually dismissed for academic reasons.
Anderson built Mizzou back up after Snyder's fumbling of the program, which is exactly what he had to do at Arkansas, no one was expecting immediate results with the talent level of the roster he inherited combined with the inablilty to immediately restructure the roster due to the APR. He had to keep 2 guards who would have been given the boot because they were on track and did eventually graduate. The program is just now to the point where players can be told to transfer to seek playing time.
To try to say Arkansas' program was in a similar shape to Mizzou's at the time of Anderson's change in job is silly.
This post was edited on 6/11/14 at 12:03 pm
Posted on 6/11/14 at 12:03 pm to DaleDenton
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Anderson didn't have any open spots,
I follow Mizzou religiously and don't know what you are talking about. If this is about Otto Porter, there was always a spot for him. Again, there were only 7 scholarship players on the roster for 2012, 8 if Bowers hadn't been hurt. There were 5 vacant roster spots available when Anderson left, and he had filled none of them for the next year. He left the roster very vacant by most normal standards.
Posted on 6/11/14 at 12:04 pm to WareagleKK
BOOM
Posted on 6/11/14 at 12:06 pm to Mizzou Fan in Da ATX
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I follow Mizzou religiously and don't know what you are talking about.
Then you don't follow Mizzou religiously and have a hard time reading which gave the time line.
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If this is about Otto Porter, there was always a spot for him. Again, there were only 7 scholarship players on the roster for 2012, 8 if Bowers hadn't been hurt. There were 5 vacant roster spots available when Anderson left, and he had filled none of them for the next year. He left the roster very vacant by most normal standards.
It did not involve after Anderson left, it was when Anderson was still there.
Posted on 6/11/14 at 12:12 pm to DaleDenton
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Haith took over a Mizzou program in their glory years, was on an eventual school streak for NCAA appearances and had recently reached the program's pinnacle, the elite 8.
Our glory years were the 1980s to mid-1990s. Would have made 10 straight NCAA tournaments then but was interrupted by NCAA probation postseason ineligibility in 1991 but that makes the "streak" deceiving. Won 12 regular season & conf tourney titles during the 1980s to mid-90s period. Made the Elite Eight multiple times before Anderson did it so while it's as far as we've gotten its deliberately misleading to call Anderson's Elite eight specifically the "pinnacle."
It was a great Mizzou team Anderson had in 2009 and I supported it, and its a shame that his third year at Arkansas was so dismal compared to his third year at Mizzou. You yourself say that Anderson's starting point at Mizzou after Snyder was similar to his starting point at Arkansas, but yet the difference in what he was able to build by year three at the two schools is stunning. Perhaps it was due to the fact that the three best players on that 2009 team of Anderson's consisted of two Quin Snyder recruits (Leo Lyons and Matt Lawrence) and a third, Demarre Carroll, who he happened to be Mike Anderson's nephew and hence fell into his lap. Or perhaps the contrast speaks more to the difference in resources and basketball acumen at Missouri that you allude to as compared to what Anderson has to work with down in Arkansas, I dunno.
This post was edited on 6/11/14 at 12:13 pm
Posted on 6/11/14 at 12:16 pm to Mizzou Fan in Da ATX
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It was a great Mizzou team Anderson had in 2009 and I supported it, and its a shame that his third year at Arkansas was so dismal compared to his third year at Mizzou. You yourself say that Anderson's starting point at Mizzou after Snyder was similar to his starting point at Arkansas, but yet the difference in what he was able to build by year three at the two schools is stunning. Perhaps it was due to the fact that the three best players on that 2009 team of Anderson's consisted of two Quin Snyder recruits (Leo Lyons and Matt Lawrence) and a third, Demarre Carroll, who he happened to be Mike Anderson's nephew and hence fell into his lap. Or perhaps the contrast speaks more to the difference in resources and basketball acumen at Missouri that you allude to as compared to what Anderson has to work with down in Arkansas, I dunno.
It had to do with Anderson's ability to work the roster his first two years at Mizzou, the ability he did not have while at Arkansas, any player who could graduate had to be kept for APR purposes.
The other factor is Snyder was actually a good coach, just landed a NBA HC job, while Pelphrey is one of many Donovan flunkies (SEE: Anthony Grant).
Posted on 6/11/14 at 1:12 pm to DaleDenton
The Arky melt in this thread is so sweet so I'll continue to sit back and
Posted on 6/11/14 at 2:35 pm to WareagleKK
Good pickup for Auburn.
Posted on 6/11/14 at 2:36 pm to AU4real35
Another thug finds his way down to that South Alabama school-API!
Posted on 6/11/14 at 2:37 pm to bamamonty
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Another thug
racist
Posted on 6/11/14 at 2:38 pm to bamamonty
How is he a thug? Racist piece of shite trash
Posted on 6/11/14 at 2:39 pm to bamamonty
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Another thug finds his way down to that South Alabama school-API!
Posted on 6/11/14 at 2:43 pm to beaver
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How is he a thug? Racist piece of shite trash
To be fair, a quick google of "Anthony Mason thug" returns plenty of results indicating that his dad was viewed that way by many peeps out there during his playing days. Having that stigma automatically attach to his son is premature and unfair, but his dad did have a certain "Detroit Pistons Bad Boys" way of playing the game that could reasonably lead some to use that tag in a way that has nothing to do with his race.
Personally, I watched a little bit of Antoine Mason in his conference tourney last year and saw him wrestle another player to the ground during a jump ball tie up, and it definitely reminded me of his dad. Whether you call that thuggery is debatable, but if so, I'm one of those who thinks its good to have a little "thug" in your program if it means toughness, defense and competitive spirit.
Posted on 6/11/14 at 2:47 pm to Mizzou Fan in Da ATX
Or he is typical Alabama trash who assumes that just because a black man is transferring that he did something wrong
Posted on 6/11/14 at 2:47 pm to Mizzou Fan in Da ATX
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To be fair, a quick google of "Anthony Mason thug" returns plenty of results indicating that his dad was viewed that way by many peeps out there during his playing days. Having that stigma automatically attach to his son is premature and unfair, but his dad did have a certain "Detroit Pistons Bad Boys" way of playing the game that could reasonably lead some to use that tag in a way that has nothing to do with his race.
Monty is racist piece of trash and that statement is not shocking. He lives in Montgomery...Im sure he still wishes they used the hoses and dogs down there.
Posted on 6/11/14 at 2:52 pm to parkjas2001
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Monty is racist piece of trash and that statement is not shocking. He lives in Montgomery...Im sure he still wishes they used the hoses and dogs down there.
Yeah I get that's where this will go no matter what I say but was trying to at least add some discussion of his actual hoops playing style and legacy in for the thread as well, didn't mean to interrupt the Moral Superiority Iron Bowl match up here.
From what I remember of Auburn in our game and what I saw of them last year they didn't seem to be a very physical team and the guards while quick, talented and pretty good scorers, were also short and not very muscular - fair take? Pearl likes to play up tempo but to the extent you might add a little "thuggery" to the backcourt in the sense of physical defense and hustle plays seems like it'd be a welcome addition, no?
Posted on 6/11/14 at 2:53 pm to Stonehog
quote:This just in - Haith to Tulsa
Mizzou's got worse every year with Haith.
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