re: Ancestral geneology of SEC people

Yes but he and John Watts did what they could to rally the tribes and unite them. I have no issue with the tribe even though they did kill my 5th great grandmother in one of their attacks, but as you mentioned mixing with the tribes was not uncommon as I have one ancestor I know for sure married a Cherokee woman.

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BTW, SouthdownsTiger, I'm so happy someone else loves this stuff the way I do. Ironically, I thought history was booooring growing up but now it's one of my obsessions. It's fun to share and I enjoy what you add to the conversation

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It's just plain interesting stuff.

Stuff not so important in today's 'me' generation, which I find extremely sad.

But to hell with them, our history is a fascinating topic that never get's old talking about imo.

To us old folk...

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We're all African, or maybe Middle-Eastern, when you get down to it.

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Not all of us have have the same composition of Neanderthal or Denisovan DNA though.

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You have been here so what alter are you?

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Funny you use liberal for such a staunch republican(whig) area.

But some do not realize TN was not totally supportive of the south. Andrew Johnson comes from ETN(Greeneville) who succeeded Lincoln in his efforts to end slavery and reunite the union.

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Not really they were liberal. Don't forget that republicans are even responsible for the Progressive Era. Mountain Repubs like those in E. TN were responsible for the first Civil Rights Act, pushed and allowed black voters post-Civil War, and remained far more liberal/progressive than many would ever imagine up until recent times. They were a different breed from the standard GOP and would've been horrified by the GOP today.

Johnson had trouble making up his mind as to what party he wanted to officially come out for. Eventually, he sided with democrats and but even so he was a product of E. TN.

Jackson, for all his warts, (not that Johnson didn't have just as many) was another Democrat and he saved the Union from war by threatening to send troops into SC when Calhoun and the rest of the state was all about state's rights and nullification. Were it not for him, the war would've happened sooner.

Fightin' Bob La Follette (Republican) is one my of my heroes. LINK .

Things have changed but E. TN mountain republicans held true longer than most while the rest of the GOP took up the banner of various conservative policies formerly associated with democratic factions. Had I lived back then I'd have been a staunch republican for many reasons.

I'm proud of our heritage and our old Mtn. Repubs even though I'm a democrat and consider myself on the progressive/liberal end of things. But I've always gotten along well with those of differing opinions, even today's repubs and conservatives so long as they're not extreme tea party types.

ETA: I hate the fact that E. TN's history in this regard has been so forgotten. It's shameful.

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Yes but he and John Watts did what they could to rally the tribes and unite them. I have no issue with the tribe even though they did kill my 5th great grandmother in one of their attacks, but as you mentioned mixing with the tribes was not uncommon as I have one ancestor I know for sure married a Cherokee woman.

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Alls fair in love and war, I suppose. I had a great-aunt who was kidnapped by whites and forced to marry although I'm not really sure what tribe she was from. Sigh, so much history my family just doesn't know. On the other side, I've found records that indicate we were on the Miller Rolls and one sued for a US govt land-claim/rights claim. Even tho much is lost to me and my family, as I said before I'm mostly white with a sprinkling of black and Indian (although my Indian heritage may well be stronger than this - aunts and uncles looked like they stepped off a rez but with so little to go on I want more proof) so my theory is it's all good - I like being born so far (on good days anyway ). I know most about the black heritage because of the unique surname and census made it easy to see the migration to a town no one but those with that name live in. NC also bound out the white woman and her children and charged the her and her husband a tax for living together because he was black.

And for the Indian heritage, the US govt. doesn't consider the Miller Rolls enough to make one an 'official Indian,' even though it accounts for the Eastern Band of Cherokee BUT there's a lot of bad policies behind that on the governments part.

No but one side of my family migrated to Greene Co in 1781 and never left. Love to visit the area whenever I get a chance which is often. Also when I need another jar, for medicinal purposes only.

Setting aside all of the inevitable tangents, this thread is actually interesting.

One of the tangents dealt with the question of "Why are y'all only talking 'bout the White folks?" and the follow-up point that many (if not "most") SEC athletes are African-American. LOOK AT THE THREAD TITLE.

It says "SEC people" - not "SEC athletes." I interpret that term as a reference to actual former students, rather than sidewalk fans, and the simple fact is that the student body and alumni base of any SEC school is primarily of European descent (like it or not).

For example, the current population at TAMU contains a bit less than three percent Blacks. It was lowe when I attended in the 1980s, and the alumni base is probably less than two percent. I would be surprised if most SEC schools vary much from those numbers.

With that being said, it is difficult to generalize about the ancestry of a student body because the student body of any major university draws from so-wide a geographical area. For example, TAMU has students from dozens of foreign countries, most US States and almost all of Texas' 254 Counties.

Some of those Counties are majority-Hispanic, and some are largely Anglo. In some, it is difficult to find a surname that does not derive from the area that is now Germany. (Recall that no country of "Germany" existed at the time that most Americans' ancestors left Europe.).

So, why don't we look at the areas around the SEC schools themselves. Again, I will use TAMU as an example. I will also use myself.

The school is located in Brazos County (note the Spanish-derived name). Like all of Texas before the 1820s, the area had a few Native American inhabitants and a small number of Spanish and mestizo settlers, primarily via Mexico. To my knowledge, I have no ancestors from this period.

The first non-Hispanic settlers in the area were led by Moses Austin, and later his son Stephen. Moses was born in Connecticut, moved to Virginia and eventually settled in Missouri. The settlers led by Austin came most-recently from the Old South, but many (like the Austins) had roots elsewhere. These folks were the vast majority of the area prior to Texas independence. My TAMU-area ancestors among these settlers came from Mississippi and had typical Scots-Irish surnames.

After Independence and before the War between the States, most immigration to Texas came from the Old South, but much also came direct from Europe. Little of the European immigration came to the Brazos County area, but some of the "Germans" who settled near San Antonio are among my ancestors. My Irish ancestors came to the Houston area during this period.

After the War, the area saw large influxes from Italy and areas now part of the Czech Republic and then part of the Austrian Empire. The latter group contained more of my ancestors. Refugees from the Old South also came to Texas (and Brazos County) in great numbers. My surname derives from these Southern refugees.

So, the TAMU offshoot of SEC People are mutts. Me too.