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Posted on 7/10/14 at 3:08 pm to
Posted by roadGator
Member since Feb 2009
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Posted on 7/10/14 at 3:08 pm to
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Nope, I agree with most everything you said. I really don't like what college athletics has become.


This. I've always wondered how many of these "student" athletes could get into the schools without being capable at their sport.
Posted by sorantable
Member since Dec 2008
48713 posts
Posted on 7/10/14 at 3:10 pm to
Nice post, OP. I agree with you.
Posted by Eric Nies Grind Time
Atlanta GA - ITP
Member since Sep 2012
24933 posts
Posted on 7/10/14 at 3:13 pm to
anc is trying to rebuild the bridges that sorantable burned.
Posted by WDE24
Member since Oct 2010
54132 posts
Posted on 7/10/14 at 3:14 pm to
You are not alone. It will also be interesting to see what happens when these various sports bubbles begin to pop.
Posted by Bogie00
Tiger in Kansas
Member since Apr 2012
5703 posts
Posted on 7/10/14 at 3:14 pm to
You are not alone!

Posted by anc
Member since Nov 2012
18008 posts
Posted on 7/10/14 at 3:15 pm to
And Ole Miss has lost more than any other team because of the PC crowd.

I absolutely love Ole Miss playing Dixie and the pageantry that went around it. Ole Miss has lost not only to the move toward NFL-like game atmospheres, but the people who are butthurt by everything even though it doesn't affect them.

Give me this all day.

Posted by Eric Nies Grind Time
Atlanta GA - ITP
Member since Sep 2012
24933 posts
Posted on 7/10/14 at 3:16 pm to
Uh...I don't know about that. Having confederate flags/uniforms is a bit much.
This post was edited on 7/10/14 at 3:17 pm
Posted by sorantable
Member since Dec 2008
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Posted on 7/10/14 at 3:16 pm to
Posted by anc
Member since Nov 2012
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Posted on 7/10/14 at 3:17 pm to
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Uh...I don't know about that. Having confederate flags is a bit much.



Why? Its still on the Mississippi flag. Why does it bother you? They used them en masse until 1997. It was part of playing Ole Miss. It was majestic. Just like the eagle flying in Auburn or the sheer noise at LSU. It was pageantry.
This post was edited on 7/10/14 at 3:18 pm
Posted by WDE24
Member since Oct 2010
54132 posts
Posted on 7/10/14 at 3:18 pm to
That evokes a sense of oppression and racism to many reasonable people even where such sentiments aren't intended. I think Ole miss should have moved away from that a little quicker.
Posted by Eric Nies Grind Time
Atlanta GA - ITP
Member since Sep 2012
24933 posts
Posted on 7/10/14 at 3:19 pm to
Yeah, except I don't think...hey...slavery when I see the eagle at Auburn.

ETA: There are times when people are too sensitive. I just don't think that is one of those times.
This post was edited on 7/10/14 at 3:21 pm
Posted by anc
Member since Nov 2012
18008 posts
Posted on 7/10/14 at 3:29 pm to
My point is that everyone has lost pageantry because of ads, money, corporate influence, etc. Ole Miss has had to battle that plus a PC crowd that other SEC teams have not had to.

As a result, Ole Miss has gone from first to last in pageantry.

Posted by EKG
Houston, TX
Member since Jun 2010
44002 posts
Posted on 7/10/14 at 3:34 pm to
I will say this: The A&M student body has done a damn admirable job of keeping our "pageantry" and traditions alive over the decades--despite the naysayers at other schools who think said activities should die.

The ads have certainly increased; but I'm a capitalist to the bone, so I can live with em (and actually embrace em). They're a sign of commerce/money flowing--something I'd much rather see than some God-forsaken tax.


Posted by anc
Member since Nov 2012
18008 posts
Posted on 7/10/14 at 3:45 pm to
Agreed on A&M. One of the few places that still feels like college football.

Posted by Govt Tide
Member since Nov 2009
9111 posts
Posted on 7/10/14 at 4:20 pm to
"Not paid by the state"

While I think anc makes some good points, I don't know why so many people fail to grasp this about college football/basketball coaching salaries. It is amazing to me how college coaches overall and specifically the highest paid college football coaches in particular get singled out for their compensation. MLB and NBA players can sign 200 million dollar + guaranteed contracts and no one bats an eye but let a college football coach make over 5 million to coach a 100+ million dollar football program and people act outraged. Do people not understand that the public "salary" portion of these college football coaching compensation packages make up about 10% of the entire package. About 90% of Saban's (and other college football and basketball coaches) overall compensation comes from endorsements from sources outside the universities themselves?
Posted by Pettifogger
Capitol Hill Autonomous Zone
Member since Feb 2012
79124 posts
Posted on 7/10/14 at 4:44 pm to
I'm with you in general, ANC, but on the other hand, I do like that CFB is such a big deal now. It being big business means I get more of it.

Maybe it was purer back when I was a kid in the 90s, listening to Auburn play on the radio and checking scores on the ticker, but I can't say I dislike the growth entirely.
Posted by randomways
North Carolina
Member since Aug 2013
12988 posts
Posted on 7/10/14 at 4:54 pm to
The only thing that has changed is technology, and that has benefits as well as detriments. The fact that the dissemination of information has vastly increased is so axiomatic as to be not even worth bringing up in its own thread. We know all this. When a college player gets rape-y or cheats on a test or whatever, it's no different than it used to...except now he is vastly more likely to be held accountable because sweeping it under the rug or keeping things quiet is far less of an option. These doom-and-gloom responses are actually responses to being informed rather than remaining in ignorance. 20 years ago, those academic issues wouldn't have been full-blown scandals...in all likelihood, they wouldn't have ever seen the light of day.

The college debt issue has multiple factors, but one of them is simply that the demand for college is greater than it ever has been, thus more and more people are attending. Naturally, people are going to go into debt, especially in a more egalitarian age when college isn't considered something primarily intended for well-off kids from good backgrounds should do. The scholarship complaint befuddles me, though. You do realize that, before scholarship limits, there were far more kids sitting on the bench their entire careers, right?

All in all, your misty-eyed look at the good ol' days strikes me as silly. Yeah, coaches get paid more. Tickets cost more. TV shows games and teams have nicer venues. Most people who think things used to be "better" rarely make a convincing argument. Do I hate the fact that I can see instant replays on a giant screen? Am I pissed that seating is more comfortable and that I can follow what's happening on the field in detail even if I'm stuck in the nosebleeds? Do I miss inconvenient set-ups, poorly managed crowd control, and lack of decent facilities? Sorry, no, I actually think these changes are improvements. The only thing I'd miss about the good ol' days is the two gallon Ultra-Huge tap beer cups for a nickel, with the three pound bars of penny chocolate. Those existed, right?
Posted by SoFla Tideroller
South Florida
Member since Apr 2010
30041 posts
Posted on 7/10/14 at 5:31 pm to
Random, you are correct that in a lot of ways "the good ol' days" are right here and now. But, there is a tipping point at which the objective capitalization (as a right-winger I am all for) of the game does detract from the subjective, emotional draw of the experience. When the providers of the sport put such a hard price tag on everything connected to the game day experience they better be prepared when the customer makes a hard dollars and cents decision as to whether it's all worth it. As the stay at home viewing becomes more and more competitive (and in many ways outpaces) the stadium experience, the market may quickly correct itself.
Posted by DropKick70
South Beach
Member since Jul 2011
1043 posts
Posted on 7/10/14 at 5:42 pm to
quote:

Is the college game losing its luster with the thuggery, the academic fraud, and the NFL-like game day atmosphere?


Do you mean the "good old days" when college football was white's only? Or maybe you mean the days of SMU football or perhaps when Sandusky's little fetish was protected by the coaches and the administration at PSU.

I knew a scholarship player and years later found out that he and a buddy of his had quite a criminal operation going back in our college days. He should not have been in jail, he should have been in F-ing prison. The bastard is still honored at his high school during homecoming. God Damn the son of a bitch.

Perhaps the past is not what you think it was. Today it's more difficult to sweep the shite under the rug. If a player is taking money, chances are he's going to get caught. If BS is going on inside a program, everyone is sniffing around. Reporters, social media,... you're far more likely to get caught today than you were in the good old days.

As we sit here getting excited about the upcoming season, these players are busting their asses in the weight room and running captains drills, getting ready for fall practice. It's almost a 365 day a year job for these athletes and it doesn't have a damn thing to do with education.

The game is changing and that's our requirements.
Posted by wmr
North of Dickson, South of Herman's
Member since Mar 2009
32518 posts
Posted on 7/10/14 at 10:29 pm to
CFB games are too expensive, too filled with ads, and every atmosphere is becoming the same with the same rap songs pumped into the stadium, the same videos, etc.

Even if you think there was something similar going on in the 1980s, go watch some of those games and the players and they are downright respectable looking choir boys compared to how players are today.

Watch Johnny Cash live at Folsom Prison. That's a PRISON population, yet everyone is tucked in, crew cut, and decent looking and somewhat respectful. Compare that to the people you see on Lock Up Raw today.

Our culture is in steep decline as far as the quality of people and the standards of behavior that we accept. CFB is not special in that regard. Add that reality to the whorish commercialism that is rampant in most every stadium on gameday, and you have a product that is less appealing than ever. Not everybody sees it that way I guess. People also watch the Kardashians and shite, though.
This post was edited on 7/10/14 at 10:31 pm
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