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re: All You Trolls Who Believe Pinkel and Coaching Staff Protecting DGB
Posted on 4/12/14 at 11:29 am to DawgsLife
Posted on 4/12/14 at 11:29 am to DawgsLife
quote:So you believed the report when it said Mizzou dropped the ball and don't believe the report that no one in the administration knew about the rape allegation. Solid reading skills (except you didn't read it at all).
It clearly says that health professionals knew about the rape AND an administrator...drawing a clear line that they were someone other than a health professional.
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Posted on 4/12/14 at 11:30 am to the808bass
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And every rape crisis center would become far less useful if they all had to immediately report every rape which was reported to them.
So, your solution is that people should cover up violent crimes against women?
Don't report them?
Posted on 4/12/14 at 11:31 am to DawgsLife
Are you saying a women who has been sexually assaulted or raped isn't allowed to control that information? Are you saying she cannot be the one to choose when and/or how to report it?
Eta: Lots of the fans in my fanbase think I have unreasonably high expectations for our players. So if you think you're arguing with an enabler, you're not.
Eta: Lots of the fans in my fanbase think I have unreasonably high expectations for our players. So if you think you're arguing with an enabler, you're not.
This post was edited on 4/12/14 at 11:33 am
Posted on 4/12/14 at 11:32 am to Mizzeaux
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I have a dip shite family member that is a trained medical professional after graduating from a school that advertises during The Maury Show.
I feel your pain! I think we all know people "trained" in key positions that have no business in those positions! I went to school with a guy that was a terrible driver. When he graduated he began driving an ambulance!
Posted on 4/12/14 at 11:34 am to Mizzeaux
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Sorry. I'm on the phone now and I forgot what my point was going to be when I first posted in the thread.
You are lucky! You have an excuse! You are on the phone! I can get halfway through a sentence and forget what my original point was going to be! Old age!
Posted on 4/12/14 at 11:37 am to zdawg18
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I'm sorry. Are you saying it is partly the families fault? Why in the hell is it the families duties to tell the University ANY personal information on their daughter. It is not any of their damn business. If the university had done THEIR job right this girl may still be alive
However, had the University been fully apprised of her situation, they might could have kept a closer eye on her condition and given her the care she needed. the whole situation could have been avoided. I agree with him on this one. When you have a loved one with dangerous condition going off to school, everyone should be made aware of that condition for their own safety.
I don't believe Missouri, or any other University is inherently evil. I DO believe they tend to try to keep certain things covered up, or kept quiet to protect their reputation.
Posted on 4/12/14 at 11:44 am to the808bass
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Congrats on knowing next to nothing about the case.
I don't understand why this seems to be your stock answer to everything. Don't you realize, that there is all kinds of information on this case? News stories, etc? If he did any kind of research at all, he might know every bit as much about this case as you do. he has access to the same information that you do....unless you were personally involved in some way.
Posted on 4/12/14 at 11:48 am to DawgsLife
If he knew as much about the case, he wouldn't have said what he did.
Posted on 4/12/14 at 11:49 am to the808bass
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You said very early in this thread that the university knew about the rape in 2010. No one from the University of Missouri System who was not a healthcare professional knew about the rape allegation in 2010. You're perpetuating a false perspective driven by shoddy/sensationalist covering of the incident by ESPN. The university dropped the ball on investigating the rape after it was informed of it unfortunately long after the girl's death. The reason roadhouse kept asking who in the "administration" knew of this is because no one knew until it was too late to help her.
I later corrected that by saying they knew about it a year ago. they then sat on this information. they did not begin an independent investigation until after the ESPN story broke.
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The university dropped the ball on investigating the rape after it was informed of it unfortunately long after the girl's death. The reason roadhouse kept asking who in the "administration" knew of this is because no one knew until it was too late to help her.
It's immaterial that the girl was dead when administration found out about it. the statue of limitations for rape is something like 7 years. (I can try to find it if you like...but it might take a little while) They should have done the right thing when they found out the circumstances. instead, they sat on the information and hoped it would go away.
Don't get me wrong...many other schools would have done the same thing. It still doesn't make it right. Missouri badly mishandled the situation.
Posted on 4/12/14 at 11:51 am to the808bass
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So DGB is still in school? Where did Michael Dixon play basketball this year?
There is a clear precedent that Missouri tries to hide these things. SURELY you understood what was meant. I know you are familiar with what happened with the DBG situation, and it has been insinuated, at the very least that this has happened on other occasions. Students intimidated or coerced to not bring charges or allegations against Missouri spots stars.
Posted on 4/12/14 at 11:52 am to DawgsLife
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instead, they sat on the information and hoped it would go away.
They did not handle the information correctly. Asking the parents if they wanted an investigation isn't "hoping it would go away," even if it wasn't executed well. While I do think they were lax in investigating it, it doesn't appear to be driven by a cover up, but rather by a some benign neglect and an incommunicative family (which is also understandable).
Posted on 4/12/14 at 11:54 am to the808bass
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So you believed the report when it said Mizzou dropped the ball and don't believe the report that no one in the administration knew about the rape allegation. Solid reading skills (except you didn't read it at all).
Here is a direct quote from the article:
The University of Missouri did not investigate or tell law enforcement officials about an alleged rape, possibly by one or more members of its football team, despite administrators finding out about the alleged 2010 incident more than a year ago, an "Outside the Lines" investigation has found. The alleged victim, a member of the swim team, committed suicide in 2011.
Now. can you find me a quote that says they did NOT know?
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Solid reading skills (except you didn't read it at all).
Posted on 4/12/14 at 11:55 am to the808bass
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If he knew as much about the case, he wouldn't have said what he did.
What did he say that indicated he didn't know anything about the case? It made perfect sense to me, and was supported by several articles that i have read. Just because it does not agree with your view, does not mean he is wrong.
Posted on 4/12/14 at 11:56 am to DawgsLife
quote:No there isn't. Absolute bullshite.
There is a clear precedent that Missouri tries to hide these things.
I think a lot of this thinking here on the rant is driven by people being in the SEC where athletic departments are absolute cesspools of corruption, and not understanding that here in the milquetoast midwest they are just incompetent.
Posted on 4/12/14 at 11:57 am to the808bass
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They did not handle the information correctly. Asking the parents if they wanted an investigation isn't "hoping it would go away," even if it wasn't executed well. While I do think they were lax in investigating it, it doesn't appear to be driven by a cover up, but rather by a some benign neglect and an incommunicative family (which is also understandable).
SeriouslY? I have a daughter. had she been raped and the University asked me if I wanted an investigation, I would be livid.
Posted on 4/12/14 at 11:59 am to MIZ_COU
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No there isn't. Absolute bull shite.
I think a lot of this thinking here on the rant is driven by people being in the SEC where athletic departments are absolute cesspools of corruption, and not understanding that here in the milquetoast midwest they are just incompetent.
No. All you have to do is read the articles. they clearly quote witnesses that say there is a culture at the University of Missouri that pressures students NOT to report crimes committed against them.
As I said...this culture exists at many colleges, including the University of Georgia. By denying it you only help to perpetuate it.
Posted on 4/12/14 at 12:03 pm to DawgsLife
quote:well then I can't read or didn't see them. I saw one heresay quote which later got recanted.
they clearly quote
Also if anybody wants an investigation all they have to do is call the Columbia PD. The university has virtually no reach in there, and there is no way a person from the SEC is ever going to believe that.
Posted on 4/12/14 at 12:10 pm to DawgsLife
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SeriouslY? I have a daughter. had she been raped and the University asked me if I wanted an investigation, I would be livid.
And some families might feel that an investigation would cause them to go through a lot of pain and wouldn't change the awful outcome for their daughter. Their daughter chose not to report it. Maybe the family would choose not to have a public investigation. These aren't as far-fetched as you're making it sound. And I have two daughters.
The university is not released from conducting an investigation without the parent's consent. And that was the key flaw in their handling of the situation. How it conducts the investigation is probably greatly affected.
And any investigation by the university isn't a police investigation. Just to keep that clear. It would be a Title IX investigation.
Posted on 4/12/14 at 12:10 pm to MIZ_COU
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well then I can't read or didn't see them. I saw one heresay quote which later got recanted.
So...you don't believe that any pressure was put on anybody not to press charges? ok. then I guess we are done, then. If you honestly believe this, then there is nothing more to be said.
Posted on 4/12/14 at 12:12 pm to the808bass
Sure.
Nixon said he wasn't a crook, too.
Nixon said he wasn't a crook, too.
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