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re: all time records? "modern era" of football? what's relevant?
Posted on 8/25/14 at 5:20 pm to FearlessFreep
Posted on 8/25/14 at 5:20 pm to FearlessFreep
Posted on 8/25/14 at 5:24 pm to HempHead
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I grew up with a kid whose dad used to be the kicker for Alabama. He was the one who missed the extra point against Notre Dame in the '73 Orange Bowl. We mocked him relentlessly even though it happened 20 years ago...
Posted on 8/25/14 at 5:34 pm to skrangeo
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Post 1945
on what basis?
The general logic of this basis is usually 3 fold.
1) Prior to the end of WW2 and during, often travelling teams existed or technical schools fielded football programs; the playing field, in that sense, didn't really resemble the modern one until the 'others' faded away.
2) The Great Organizing Time: The major conference were mostly organized on a stable basis by 1945. One of the important things that has helped define the era of major college football, is recognizable formatting; a team was associated with its conference, and you could generally count on it still being the same 15-20 years later. Bowl tie-ins became more permanent across the board. Large scale athletic departments with permanent, expansive facilities became the norm; specialized football-only coaching started to emerge as the dominant trend in the sport. Specialization became a thing.
3) The forward pass became much more standardized, so the game as played became much more recognizable, and comparable between seasons.
Now, there are arguments about whether or not segregated football is really a good comp, or whether or not the changes in rules make the game a truly comparable product, but there is little question that what came after the war, was much more like now, than even what it was like two decades before.
Posted on 8/25/14 at 6:05 pm to skrangeo
Florida?
Last 24 years
LSU?
Last 14 years
South Carolina?
Last 4 years
Last 24 years
LSU?
Last 14 years
South Carolina?
Last 4 years
Posted on 8/25/14 at 6:09 pm to skrangeo
Only teams with 0 history go by "modern era" records.
Posted on 8/25/14 at 6:32 pm to Henry Jones Jr
Modern history is typically defined by most as the time in which scholarships were limited...
Posted on 8/25/14 at 6:38 pm to heartbreakTiger
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the goal post move depending on what favors my view
This is the correct answer. We're CFB fans. We literally can't be anything other than biased and homerish.
Posted on 8/25/14 at 6:40 pm to Henry Jones Jr
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Only teams with 0 history go by "modern era" records.
Translation:
"Please, God, don't let them start post-segregation!"
Posted on 8/25/14 at 6:46 pm to Tiger n Miami AU83
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1982
Translation:
"Find any excuse possible to exclude the greatest coach in history from Alabama's records."
Posted on 8/25/14 at 6:48 pm to Crimson Legend
This thread is done son.
The question has been answered and it is time to move on.
The question has been answered and it is time to move on.
Posted on 8/25/14 at 7:16 pm to skrangeo
Everyone knows football started in 2000, amiright?
Posted on 8/25/14 at 8:01 pm to TbirdSpur2010
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For me, personally, I don't truly care much about results/records that predate my own date of birth. To me, there's no point in exulting over successes or mourning defeats that were before my time. Jmho, though.
by this logic I'm not really sure why you would care about games you didn't personally play in.
Posted on 8/25/14 at 8:14 pm to cardboardboxer
Auburn fans want the last 30 year.
bama want all time.
bama want all time.
Posted on 8/25/14 at 8:25 pm to skrangeo
92 with conference championship games? I could go 2009 if you'd like.
Be real, all-time matters in SEC.
Be real, all-time matters in SEC.
Posted on 8/25/14 at 9:04 pm to cardboardboxer
the answer is , post integration. after about 1970, most teams had integrated. this is when you should consider records significant and relevant to the current game. if youre bragging about a championship in the leather helmet era, youre an idiot. I know some west coast and northeastern schools integrated long before us,so I take it up to the point when everybody was on board.1970 and beyond.
Posted on 8/25/14 at 9:09 pm to skrangeo
Post-integration. Happened between 1967 and 1973 in the SEC.
Before that, who cares? Those teams couldn't hang with modern teams. It was a different thing altogether.
Before that, who cares? Those teams couldn't hang with modern teams. It was a different thing altogether.
Posted on 8/25/14 at 9:38 pm to athens-ga
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by this logic I'm not really sure why you would care about games you didn't personally play in.
That's hardly where I was going with that. I enjoy the wins I got to witness, and rye the losses I've seen my team take. I can appreciate the historic significance of select results from before my time, but they don't carry the same emotional significance to me as those I've watched.
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