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Posted on 3/24/16 at 9:57 am to Riseupfromtherubble
Posted on 3/24/16 at 9:57 am to Riseupfromtherubble
Don't know a single mohommadist and am very content to keep it that way. I watch the news. I read the papers. The media would be sympathetic to your argument and would likely continue the lie that moderate muslims are like baptists and radical muslims are like Westboro.
You both would be wrong
You both would be wrong
This post was edited on 3/24/16 at 9:58 am
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Posted on 3/24/16 at 10:00 am to Pinche Cabron
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by the way - many of these great defenders of moderate Islam that you are referencing... are the first ones to throw up their hands when met with resistance.
You don't know wtf you're talking about. Again, Muslims are on the front line with AK-47's fighting Isis. Not waving a white flag.
Do you expect American Muslims to go to syria and fight Isis? What is it you're looking for out of them? I agree that more in the Middle East should take a stand against terrorism. A swell in their ranks would be great for this war. I don't consider those sitting idly by to be these "great defenders of modern Islam", like you're inferring I am. Believe it or not, dying in a religious war isn't at the top of the priority list for a lot of Muslims.
Posted on 3/24/16 at 10:05 am to Riseupfromtherubble
First off, I know a great deal on the subject.
Secondly, I have nowhere claimed that moderate muslims should be on the front lines (although it is a FANTASTIC idea, thanks!) They should, however, be in the forefront (through public media) whenever there are acts of terrorism, condemning those acts.
You are a stupid little focker, aren't you. You make the comparisons. And instead of backing away from them, you get a little 'jihaddie' yourself
Secondly, I have nowhere claimed that moderate muslims should be on the front lines (although it is a FANTASTIC idea, thanks!) They should, however, be in the forefront (through public media) whenever there are acts of terrorism, condemning those acts.
You are a stupid little focker, aren't you. You make the comparisons. And instead of backing away from them, you get a little 'jihaddie' yourself
Posted on 3/24/16 at 10:06 am to Pinche Cabron
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Don't know a single mohommadist and am very content to keep it that way
I figured so. My pediatrician in Selma fricking Alabama was a Muslim. One of the most respected members of a community tainted with decades of horrible racism, is a Syrian born Muslim. He's healed a lot of Christians, and has no desire to see your head from its shoulders. His kids are all great people that contribute to society. But I guess he should trade his stethoscope for an AK and head back to Syria and fight Isis.
Posted on 3/24/16 at 10:08 am to Riseupfromtherubble
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I figured so. My pediatrician in Selma fricking Alabama was a Muslim. One of the most respected members of a community tainted with decades of horrible racism, is a Syrian born Muslim. He's healed a lot of Christians, and has no desire to see your head from its shoulders. His kids are all great people that contribute to society. But I guess he should trade his stethoscope for an AK and head back to Syria and fight Isis.
Again - you are trying to save your argument by lying about what I said. Whatever. I still think your argument is stupid
Posted on 3/24/16 at 10:16 am to Pinche Cabron
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They should, however, be in the forefront (through public media) whenever there are acts of terrorism, condemning those acts.
Sorry this isn't airing on Fox News (which is basically the only national news I watch btw) but Muslim leaders from around the world have condemned Isis.
LINK
My argument is that it's stupid to lump everyone together, hence the westboro reference. Do I believe that radical Muslims, who are strong in number, are a huge threat to western civilization? Absolutely. I don't want Muslim refugees in this country because of that. Sucks for the good one, but the fact is many that follow Islam are savages. Since we can't differentiate between those with paperwork or an eyeball test, we shouldn't allow them in. We should keep a close eye on the ones here and help monitor in any way we can those that are living within the borders of our allies.
My point is that doesn't mean they all want to cut your head off. They aren't obligated to call the news station and publicly condemn radical Islam any more than you and I are obligated to condemn westboro or boy loving priests. A public condemnation doesn't change a damn thing in either instance.
Posted on 3/24/16 at 10:24 am to Riseupfromtherubble
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They aren't obligated to call the news station and publicly condemn radical Islam any more than you and I are obligated to condemn westboro or boy loving priests. A public condemnation doesn't change a damn thing in either instance.
So, ignoring the fact that the reference was stupid, I will respond to the above quote:
Public condemnation changes A LOT. It changes public perception, for one. And despite your hyperbole, I am not suggesting that your saintly pediatrician owes it to the world to make a trip to the local newsroom to condemn the acts of war that are being perpetrated in the name of mohammadism. But your pediatricians minister should. So should moderate muslim leaders throughout the US and other free lands. It would change public perception a great deal, I think.
But then again, your mohommadist pediatrician might do better to take up an AK now that I think about it.
Posted on 3/24/16 at 10:36 am to Pinche Cabron
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Public condemnation changes A LOT. It changes public perception, for one
Salah Abdeslam would probably be a good boy if he saw Muslims on Fox News condemning Isis.
What does changing public perception do, in your opinion, to combat radical Muslims in the Middle East? Muslims can condemn all they want, rednecks like yourself aren't going to change their perception when radical Muslims are blowing up civilians in the west every few months.
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then again, your mohommadist pediatrician might do better to take up an AK now that I think about it.
So you're a simple minded redneck, got it. All Muslims are bad.
Posted on 3/24/16 at 10:42 am to Riseupfromtherubble
Keep on spreading the lie/false comparison.
It makes you seem smart
It makes you seem smart
Posted on 3/24/16 at 10:48 am to FourThreeForty
Son, this is not 1240 AD. The world is a different place. Let it go.
Posted on 3/24/16 at 10:55 am to Pinche Cabron
I'm still genuinely interested in what you think changing public perception here will do
Posted on 3/24/16 at 11:08 am to Riseupfromtherubble
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I'm not some Muslim apologist by any means, but lumping in all Muslims with Isis is like lumping in all baptists with westboro.
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I'm still genuinely interested in what you think changing public perception here will do
I think you forget what the conversation was about. You said, "lumping all Muslims with Isis is like lumping in all baptists with westboro."
Do you not see how Moderate Muslims might impact public perception (Americans, not Iranians) of Islam if they would rigorously renounce Jihad? Do you think we "rednecks" (pretty rich coming from a guy from Selma) would continue to paint with such broad strokes regarding Islam if actual islamists would renounce these terrorists every time an act of terror is perpetrated in the name of Islam?
Call me naive, but I think it could only help
This post was edited on 3/24/16 at 11:09 am
Posted on 3/24/16 at 11:38 am to Pinche Cabron
A lot of them do speak out against ISIS and acts of terrorism. It doesn't get a ton of news but but just google it.
- one thing to consider though is that a lot of the muslims here have family in areas who would not take kindly to them speaking out in a very public forum.
- also some recent data regarding the percentages and all that everyone likes to talk about and that are always different. Just throwing data out there, not trying to make a hard line statement or anything.
LINK
LINK
- one thing to consider though is that a lot of the muslims here have family in areas who would not take kindly to them speaking out in a very public forum.
- also some recent data regarding the percentages and all that everyone likes to talk about and that are always different. Just throwing data out there, not trying to make a hard line statement or anything.
LINK
LINK
This post was edited on 3/24/16 at 11:44 am
Posted on 3/24/16 at 11:47 am to Sneaky__Sally
If they don't want to renounce jihad, then they shouldn't expect tolerance of Islam. It is that simple.
If an Islamist wants to come to this country, renounces Sharia Law and affirms his loyalty to the constitution and promises to assimilate, he should be welcomed.
Those who do not, should be shown the door.
If an Islamist wants to come to this country, renounces Sharia Law and affirms his loyalty to the constitution and promises to assimilate, he should be welcomed.
Those who do not, should be shown the door.
Posted on 3/24/16 at 11:55 am to Pinche Cabron
In America you aren't responsible for the actions of others unless you are in a criminal organization. Its a great aspect of this country. Should we just get every person who is 18 to go and renounce murder, robbery, rape, terrorism, etc.?
Its just kind of pointless you know.
- I really don't even know what you mean. in some sort of public forum? just privately to a government official? I just don't see what we would be going for here.
Its just kind of pointless you know.
- I really don't even know what you mean. in some sort of public forum? just privately to a government official? I just don't see what we would be going for here.
This post was edited on 3/24/16 at 11:57 am
Posted on 3/24/16 at 12:35 pm to Sneaky__Sally
You guys are hilarious.
First, sally, I looked at your links and know that you aren't suggesting that ISIS is the ONLY jihadi group in the world. I know you don't believe that. But your post seems to suggest it or otherwise the point of post is lost.
People protest stuff all the time. They are neither forced to or asked to - and yet they protest (see #BLM). If the American Islamic community is concerned about "Islamophobia" then I am saying they should take some responsibility for exposing Jihadis for what they are. It would help with how they (moderates) are perceived.
First, sally, I looked at your links and know that you aren't suggesting that ISIS is the ONLY jihadi group in the world. I know you don't believe that. But your post seems to suggest it or otherwise the point of post is lost.
People protest stuff all the time. They are neither forced to or asked to - and yet they protest (see #BLM). If the American Islamic community is concerned about "Islamophobia" then I am saying they should take some responsibility for exposing Jihadis for what they are. It would help with how they (moderates) are perceived.
This post was edited on 3/24/16 at 12:37 pm
Posted on 3/24/16 at 12:41 pm to Pinche Cabron
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also some recent data regarding the percentages and all that everyone likes to talk about and that are always different. Just throwing data out there, not trying to make a hard line statement or anything.
I thought my post made it pretty clear i was just presenting some recent percentage data without trying make any stance about the data.
here is an article outlining some muslim's condemning terrorist attacks, including some videos/news coverage of actual in the street protests.
LINK
Us Council of Muslim Organizations Condemn Paris Attacks
This post was edited on 3/24/16 at 12:42 pm
Posted on 3/24/16 at 12:44 pm to Sneaky__Sally
You guys win the internet
Posted on 3/24/16 at 12:48 pm to Pinche Cabron
I was just trying to show you that what you are outlining is currently happening.
- also don't group me with someone else just because we share similar beliefs on a topic, haven't you been paying attention.
- also don't group me with someone else just because we share similar beliefs on a topic, haven't you been paying attention.
This post was edited on 3/24/16 at 12:50 pm
Posted on 3/24/16 at 12:52 pm to Sneaky__Sally
Well then, maybe you should read
Gosh... if you are going to jump in, at least keep up. If not, then I am just going to lump you two together
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You stopped short of the 'policing-their-own' remark. The reason they are judged the way they are is because, until recently, these "peace-loving" mohommadists haven't had enough balls to condemn their brothers violence. To compare the relationship between these two and baptists/Westboro is absurd. See the difference?
Gosh... if you are going to jump in, at least keep up. If not, then I am just going to lump you two together
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