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Posted on 1/17/16 at 12:54 pm to RB10
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RB10
Ok. Bama's schedule may have gotten a boost with the playoffs but one of the points of the OP was Bama had a really tough schedule (#1 in the nation) and still dominated the majority of the teams on the way to the NC. It was to show how impressive it was and how you guys along with SEC haters can't complain about Bama having an easy path like you always do.
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Posted on 1/17/16 at 1:18 pm to RB10
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I fully understand what removing the losses Suffered at the hands of the championship team does, it makes the opponents winning percentage look better than what it actually is. There's no need to do that as the actual winning percentage is already impressive.
He got called on his bullshite and all the Bama fans ran to his aid because any who don't agree that Bama is the greatest thing in the history of ever, is wrong in their opinion.
So with all of your butthurt, are you ready to admit it is the toughest schedule by a national champion in NCAA history or nah?
Posted on 1/17/16 at 1:33 pm to RB10
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RB10
You are getting your arse handed to you in this thread. It's very simple to see why calculating opponent winning percentage while taking out the losses to Bama and the other national champions is the most useful way to compare relative strengths of schedules of said champions, which is what the OP is about.
Posted on 1/17/16 at 4:24 pm to Gary Busey
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Obviously this is wrong. The SEC has always given L5U the harder schedule aND the Bammers an easy path.
Did someone at LSU touch you inappropriately?
Posted on 1/17/16 at 4:39 pm to elposter
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You are getting your arse handed to you in this thread. It's very simple to see why calculating opponent winning percentage while taking out the losses to Bama and the other national champions is the most useful way to compare relative strengths of schedules of said champions, which is what the OP is about.
The OP took the losses out in order to get the win percentage up over 70%. That was the only reason, and that much is clear. So many Bama fans eating the shite up is hilarious.
I've done two things:
1. State that the OP isn't calculating winning percentage, so he should stop claiming it as such. That's a fact.
2. State the the CFB playoff teams get a boost because of the extra games. Therefore, comparing them to the BCS and the Pre-BCS era is ignorant. Which has been proven to be a fact.
"Getting my arse handed to me"..........
More like "pointing out facts that slightly, and I mean very slightly, lessen the accomplishment. Making Bama fans butthurt as frick in the process".
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Posted on 1/17/16 at 4:41 pm to 1BamaRTR
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t was to show how impressive it was and how you guys along with SEC haters can't complain about Bama having an easy path like you always do.
This is the thing. The winning percentage was impressive without the OP modifying it to make it look even better.
He wanted it to be over 70%. That's the only logical reason to remove the losses.
Posted on 1/17/16 at 4:47 pm to RB10
Want you to know, I didn't do the work in the OP. So, someone else decided it was important to remove head-to-head losses, probably for reasons randomways already pointed out.
Posted on 1/17/16 at 4:51 pm to Kcoyote
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Want you to know, I didn't do the work in the OP. So, someone else decided it was important to remove head-to-head losses, probably for reasons randomways already pointed out.
The only reason to remove losses, and only losses, when calculating winning percentage is to inflate the result.
Plain and simple.
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Posted on 1/17/16 at 5:47 pm to RB10
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The only reason to remove losses, and only losses, when calculating winning percentage is to inflate the result.
Plain and simple.
Now that's simply untrue. I gave you a logical reason for doing so -- to distinguish success against a given schedule from failure against the same schedule. Under this system, a team that finishes 12-0 against a schedule looks better than one that finished 0-12. I think most people would agree that bragging about your schedule implies that you actually had success against it. Otherwise, it's just whining that your team never had a chance. The whole point of the stat is to demonstrate this success. Distinguishing winning from losing clearly falls under the purview of that point. And since it's applied to all teams being measured, it's entirely normative. Every team is subject to it.
You don't have to consider it a good reason. That's entirely your prerogative. You're free to argue about whether it should be used and complain that people are only promoting it to make their team look better. But claiming that this reason doesn't exist is just stubbornness and/or trolling at this point.
Posted on 1/17/16 at 5:55 pm to randomways
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I gave you a logical reason for doing so -- to distinguish success against a given schedule from failure against the same schedule
Dude, when calculating a team's, or a set of teams, winning percentage it is NEVER logical to remove losses.
The whole point of winning percentage is how many games were won out of total games played. When you start removing games, for any reason, it makes the entire process moot.
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Posted on 1/17/16 at 6:12 pm to RB10
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Dude, when calculating a teams, or a set of teams winning percentage it is NEVER logical to remove losses.
The whole point of winning percentage is how many games were won out of total games played. When you start removing games, for any reason, it makes the entire process moot.
If all you're going for is a bare-bones winning percentage without context, certainly. You prefer it because context doesn't help your own prejudices. But if you're trying to give context to that winning percentage -- and that's not some weird idea from left field...it's exactly what people do when they say a 12-0 AAC team isn't the same as a 12-0 SEC team, for instance -- the method used is completely logical. It's basic math and deductive logic, not an arbitrary factor thrown in to screw things up. Instead, by removing losses that happened only to the team in question, it gives an algorithmic view of how the team in question performed that season. I'm wondering if it's possible you haven't thought through how the system works. It wasn't simply a dirty trick to elevate winning percentage. He or she actually used a relevant methodology by removing losses that occurred to the team being studied. It's a logical extension of the quantum "observation effect". In essence, it's trying to minimize the damage winning a game has on a team's data. Perfectly logical. It does exactly what I said it does. If you can dispute the actual logic rather than the motivations, feel free to give it a shot.
Posted on 1/17/16 at 6:13 pm to Kcoyote
Why does it matter?
Alabama won in the end.
Did anyone ever say Alabama did not deserve to be there or win?
Alabama won in the end.
Did anyone ever say Alabama did not deserve to be there or win?
Posted on 1/17/16 at 6:16 pm to randomways
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If all you're going for is a bare-bones winning percentage without context, certainly.
Winning percentage is calculated in one way:
Wins divided by total games played.
What you, and the OP, are using is NOT the winning percentage no matter how many times you two try to claim that it is.
Posted on 1/17/16 at 6:29 pm to RB10
You are really confused about what is being discussed.
Posted on 1/17/16 at 6:31 pm to RB10
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Winning percentage is calculated in one way:
Wins divided by total games played.
What you, and the OP, are using is NOT the winning percentage no matter how many times you two try to claim that it is.
I've tried to be polite, but there's no way around it -- you sound really, really stupid now. You're quibbling over semantics and giving the impression you're incapable of understanding what's being explained. Would it make you feel better if someone inserted "adjusted for better context" after the words "winning percentage" or are you just going to dig in your heels and continue acting as if you aren't able to comprehend the point being made? Nothing I've said requires a Vandy education to understand. I've given you the reason it was adjusted, and pointed out why the methodology was in no way arbitrary. Past that, it's just a matter of you getting past your intense desire to do exactly what you're accusing the Bama posters of doing -- picking a course because it's the one you prefer.
Posted on 1/17/16 at 6:41 pm to randomways
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t -- you sound really, really stupid now. You're quibbling over semantics and giving the impression you're incapable of understanding what's being explained
whats funny is is fully understand what's being argued. You keep trying to talk about "logical" reasons why you should remove games when calculating winning percentage.
I'm arguing that what you're now proposing is no longer the winning percentage, but rather some metric that has been fabricated that's not actually used by anyone other than you.
That's what you don't seem to understand. If you want to remove games and then calculate the results, go ahead, just don't call it the winning percentage, because it isn't.
Posted on 1/18/16 at 3:20 am to randomways
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"observation effect".
Boom, caught a mistake Vandy-man. A period outside of your quotations, do you even Vanderbilt bruh?
By the way, I've been drinking and read this whole thread. RB10 tried fighting the good fight.
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