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re: Alabama lies about the "national championship" in 1964
Posted on 1/18/17 at 2:55 pm to NYCAuburn
Posted on 1/18/17 at 2:55 pm to NYCAuburn
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It's the '41 Houlgate poll that's the lie. It was actually awarded to Minnesota at the time. Somehow after a period of time changed into Alabama as the winner
While I knew the AP had Minnesota #1 in '41 (and deservedly so), I never knew the initial Houlgate rating also had Minnesota #1. I wonder why it changed over time...doesn't make any sense. But even at #3, Houlgate's initial rating had us way too high that year. Claiming the '41 title is an embarrassment and should be dropped...don't see it happening though...
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Posted on 1/18/17 at 2:55 pm to Crimson Legend
That being said, 1964 is ours. Sorry, Hogs. Take it up with the AP and UPI.
Posted on 1/18/17 at 2:58 pm to Huddie Leadbetter
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I make it simple by just counting titles since newspaper pollsters, that is AP and/or UPI, started counting them in 1936. So Alabama has 10, which is still more than anybody else.
It's 11
Posted on 1/18/17 at 3:01 pm to Errerrerrwere
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Harry, if you are serious about getting your trophies; I'll take a ride out there and help you retrieve them, baw.
It will be sitting in the endzone.........you'll never get close!
Posted on 1/18/17 at 3:02 pm to elposter
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I make it simple by just counting titles since newspaper pollsters, that is AP and/or UPI, started counting them in 1936. So Alabama has 10, which is still more than anybody else.
Fair enough. It's great to be the only program that has so many national titles that people can't agree on how many there are. It's great to win so much that rivals actually try to tease you about losing in the last second of the championship game. It's great to have a team so dominant that other fans have to come up with non-football related criticisms, like "your fans didn't attend the school" or "you care too much about football - it's your life".
In short, it's a great time to be a Bama fan.
Posted on 1/18/17 at 3:11 pm to Crimson Legend
between the cheating and the false natty claims, you all are the biggest frauds in college football history
that's not counting the meth
that's not counting the meth
Posted on 1/18/17 at 3:11 pm to Harry Rex Vonner
The AP and UP NC was awarded before the bowl games back then. It pissed some people off that we lost the bowl game that year so they changed the AP NC award in 1965 to be made after the bowls. Of course we were #4 before the Orange Bowl in 1965 where we beat Nebraska to win the NC that year. We do whatever it takes. You can't make this stuff up.
Posted on 1/18/17 at 3:33 pm to elposter
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I make it simple by just counting titles since newspaper pollsters, that is AP and/or UPI, started counting them in 1936. So Alabama has 10, which is still more than anybody else.
It's 11
hmm. It sure is. More better.
Posted on 1/18/17 at 3:40 pm to Harry Rex Vonner
You can have your shiny 1964 FWAA trophy.
Alabama will keep the 1964 AP and UPI trophies.
Deal?
Alabama will keep the 1964 AP and UPI trophies.
Deal?
Posted on 1/18/17 at 3:42 pm to OldPete
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I never knew the initial Houlgate rating also had Minnesota #1.
it's actually the final 1941 rating FWIW.
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I wonder why it changed over time...doesn't make any sense.
Theories are just bad fact checking from a sports journal in the 60's. Fact is, in 1941 Houlgate was basically just a column in a few west coast newspapers. His popularity comes from his work after these particular polls. These early polls only gained "credibility" by association because of later work.
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But even at #3, Houlgate's initial rating had us way too high that year.
His ranking was SOS rankings, during this period FWIW
Posted on 1/18/17 at 3:43 pm to NYCAuburn
Sitting at #20 in the nation
Vandy bitches!
#3 Alabama
#6 State
#11 Tennessee
#13 Georgia
#17 (tie) Missouri
#17 (tie) Texas A&M
#20 Vanderbilt
7 in the current SEC in the Top 20, the more things change, the more they stay the same.
Vandy bitches!
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#3 Alabama
#6 State
#11 Tennessee
#13 Georgia
#17 (tie) Missouri
#17 (tie) Texas A&M
#20 Vanderbilt
7 in the current SEC in the Top 20, the more things change, the more they stay the same.
Posted on 1/18/17 at 3:51 pm to Harry Rex Vonner
quote:See Bama. This is what happens when you lose to Clemson with one second left. They all come out of the woodwork
Alabama lies about the "national championship" in 1964
Posted on 1/18/17 at 4:20 pm to OldPete
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While I knew the AP had Minnesota #1 in '41 (and deservedly so), I never knew the initial Houlgate rating also had Minnesota #1. I wonder why it changed over time...doesn't make any sense. But even at #3, Houlgate's initial rating had us way too high that year. Claiming the '41 title is an embarrassment and should be dropped...don't see it happening though...
Deke Houlgate revised his formula later on and put more of an emphasis on SOS.
Y'all should always claim it because other SEC programs are guilty of the same thing and it pisses so many people off.
Posted on 1/18/17 at 4:30 pm to Wolfhound45
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Alabama lies about the "national championship" in 1964quote:
See Bama. This is what happens when you lose to Clemson with one second left. They all come out of the woodwork
Doesn't really matter. Bama shares 1964 with Arkansas, just like LSU shares 1958 with Iowa and Auburn shares 1957 with Ohio State.
Arkansas, Iowa & Ohio State all won the FWAA in the years that Bama, LSU & Auburn won the AP.
Posted on 1/18/17 at 4:50 pm to IStillMissDanny
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The Carolinas smokin that crack.
But what the hell do they do in W Virginia?
They huff coal dust out of their sisters asses, makes all other highs seem worthless in comparison.
Posted on 1/18/17 at 4:53 pm to Greg Meaney
All that says is Alabama won't admit all their methheads for treatment.
Posted on 1/18/17 at 5:04 pm to Korin
Look what I found
Posted on 1/18/17 at 5:49 pm to Harry Rex Vonner
10 in a reaux!
Posted on 1/18/17 at 5:50 pm to jdevers
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They huff coal dust out of their sisters asses, makes all other highs seem worthless in comparison.
So, you have relatives there?
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