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Posted on 1/6/10 at 9:18 am to SFVtiger
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i'll have to re-read the article. i thought it said, basically, one day bama was claimaing x no of titles and after some historical research the number was bumped up.
The titles were absolutely pre-existing, but not acknowledged. All the focus was on the Bryant era. This guy said "Hey, lets acknowledge that Alabama football was a winner before Coach Bryant too"...
Posted on 1/6/10 at 9:18 am to DvlsAdvocat
i can concede that we have 11 based off of the ones we DO claim. the 41' title is laughable...
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Posted on 1/6/10 at 9:20 am to m2pro
Like I've said many times, 1941 is laughable, but I don't complain because we got totally jobbed in 1966.
Posted on 1/6/10 at 9:22 am to DvlsAdvocat
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we got totally jobbed in 1966.
ok good, then i'm back to 12! your words are all the justification i need! i mean seriously guys, y'all should all shut up. DvlsAdvocat doesn't bs or talk untruthfully... you should all just bow to his knowledge and unbiased nature. you know i'm right.
Posted on 1/6/10 at 9:22 am to DvlsAdvocat
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And Bama can claim more than we do too...at least four more than the 12 we do now.
Then why dont you claim them?? Could it be that they are BS just like the Pre bryant era ones you claim now? EVERY....EVERY team can claim more titles than they do! If you actually do some research you will see 3-4 teams are the NCs every year before 1950. Teams should only claim "CONSENSUS" titles....not those BS titles that every team can claim.
Posted on 1/6/10 at 9:22 am to bstew3006
quote:Honestly no. Why are you? Alabama is not alone in this, others not limited to but including ND, USC, Army, and especially Michigan do the same thing. If LSU also claimed NC's awarded to them then so be it.
If LSU starts acknowledging those and puts those Titles on the stadium, Got 7 T-shirts, Flags and etc would you be a lil pissed and argue that LSU only has 3?
Posted on 1/6/10 at 9:22 am to m2pro
If only it was that easy!Posted on 1/6/10 at 9:23 am to DvlsAdvocat
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Like I've said many times, 1941 is laughable, but I don't complain because we got totally jobbed in 1966.
You are absolutely right. But it's easier to claim a non-wire service championship from before 1950 than after.
Posted on 1/6/10 at 9:24 am to bstew3006
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Teams should only claim "CONSENSUS" titles....not those BS titles that every team can claim.
Well, wipe 2003 off then...we'll start from there.
Posted on 1/6/10 at 9:25 am to DvlsAdvocat
if they weren't claimed as titles the year they were won w/ the polls that existed then, it's a little revisionist to claim them later.
but i always wondered who/why/when this occurred
but i always wondered who/why/when this occurred
Posted on 1/6/10 at 9:28 am to DvlsAdvocat
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Well, wipe 2003 off then...we'll start from there.
Sorry Advocat, LSU's '03 title was consensus. It simply wasn't unanimous.
Posted on 1/6/10 at 9:30 am to DvlsAdvocat
Screw it! I say LSU fans come together and get LSU to recognize those 4 other titles!
LSU 7 time NC: 1908, 1935, 1936, 1958, 1962, 2003, 2007
Haha you beat me to it Bamawriter
LSU 7 time NC: 1908, 1935, 1936, 1958, 1962, 2003, 2007
Haha you beat me to it Bamawriter
This post was edited on 1/6/10 at 9:32 am
Posted on 1/6/10 at 9:46 am to bstew3006
While we're at it, lets go ahead and agree that the next time the formula or process for determining the champion is changed, we erase all championships prior to that change and everyone starts at zero.
That shouldn't be too hard of a sell, since Pre-BCS AP titles are deemed less worthy, and Pre-AP titles are mocked. Since the vast majority of the 117 teams haven't won ANY, they should easily agree to stripping the titles that have been won.
That shouldn't be too hard of a sell, since Pre-BCS AP titles are deemed less worthy, and Pre-AP titles are mocked. Since the vast majority of the 117 teams haven't won ANY, they should easily agree to stripping the titles that have been won.
Posted on 1/6/10 at 9:52 am to DvlsAdvocat
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DvlsAdvocat
you seem to have this affect on people that talk shite... they seem to stop. it's weird.
Posted on 1/6/10 at 9:58 am to bstew3006
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bstew3006
ahh yes... the truth finally comes out ....
Screw it! I say LSU fans come together and get LSU to recognize those 4 other titles!
LSU 7 time NC: 1908, 1935, 1936, 1958, 1962, 2003, 2007
Haha you beat me to it Bamawriter
Actually, we could claim 8. An end of the season Sports Media national champion poll in 1959 had LSU #1 before the 1960 Sugar.
Posted on 1/6/10 at 10:05 am to bstew3006
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Got 7 T-shirts, Flags and etc would you be a lil pissed and argue that LSU only has 3?
NO. For the same reason I dont understand why this bothers opposing fans or fans of Alabama(to say we have less than 12). I have always maintained 7. That would be all AP NC which is the measure from all other colleges which makes the most sense. The reason it does not upset me to to say Bama has 8 or if LSU or any other team for that matter claimed obscure champ awarded by other publications is because no one not any recruit or fan gives a damn about a NC from years prior to the AP.
Posted on 1/6/10 at 10:16 am to labamafan
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because no one not any recruit or fan gives a damn about a NC from years prior to the AP.
I don't know man, I disagree. The presteige of attending a university thats won alot of championships and oozes tradition does play a role in these kids' decisions (though probably not a huge one, it still plays a part).
Posted on 1/6/10 at 10:19 am to Schwaaz
Everybody has known for years the claim was utter bullshite except the gumps. Everyone is starting to laugh more and more at gumps for actually believing it is the gospel.
As noted in the article:
1. Bama has 6 AP titles, 7 consensus championship. The SEC also official laughs at the claim of 12 and says Bama has 7.
2. The make believe/bullshite titles started late in the Perkins era when 5 titles magically appeared even though Bama won nothing. Not even an SEC title. Probably because Bama was starting to get their arse kicked by AU and the rest of the SEC and felt inferior and insecure.
3. The bullshite titles have been roundly ripped apart and shown to be bullshite many times, yet Bama still OFFICIALLY claims them, making the university a joke for doing so to try to pump up and overinflate their sense of importance.
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As noted in the article:
1. Bama has 6 AP titles, 7 consensus championship. The SEC also official laughs at the claim of 12 and says Bama has 7.
2. The make believe/bullshite titles started late in the Perkins era when 5 titles magically appeared even though Bama won nothing. Not even an SEC title. Probably because Bama was starting to get their arse kicked by AU and the rest of the SEC and felt inferior and insecure.
3. The bullshite titles have been roundly ripped apart and shown to be bullshite many times, yet Bama still OFFICIALLY claims them, making the university a joke for doing so to try to pump up and overinflate their sense of importance.
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He is the reason Alabama's media guide claims 12 national titles. He is the reason Alabama fans wear "got twelve?" T-shirts. He is the reason some fans can already start marketing bumper stickers for a 13th national championship, a presumptive move that isn't the first presumptive move in the university's national title count.
Because before Alabama got 12, it only got six.
Atcheson is the former Alabama sports information director who added five pre-Bear Bryant national titles to the team's media guide in the 1980s.
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So how did an SID from the Ray Perkins era -- a period with zero SEC titles, much less any national titles -- shape such a core belief that many Alabama supporters today accept as gospel?
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"I tried to make Alabama football look the best it could look and just make it as great as it could possibly be," Atcheson said.
This post was edited on 1/6/10 at 10:25 am
Posted on 1/6/10 at 10:19 am to bamawriter
quote:That's the debate of the whole argument, claiming a title and being awarded a title are two completely different entities.
The fact is that Alabama has five other titles that we could claim and don't.
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