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Posted on 9/12/13 at 11:54 am to
Posted by AginAL
Member since Dec 2010
1378 posts
Posted on 9/12/13 at 11:54 am to
I am very worried about this and feel it is the key to the game. BAMA will move the ball at will, forcing JFF to make big plays. I agree that were gonna need turnovers to hang..
Posted by Spirit Of Aggieland
Houston
Member since Aug 2011
4607 posts
Posted on 9/12/13 at 11:56 am to
Thanks. Looking forward the game in Tiger Stadium also. But first things first. Stop Bama's run game!
Posted by DFWAggie09
DFW
Member since Oct 2011
1483 posts
Posted on 9/12/13 at 11:57 am to
I feel like no one is addressing the obvious with all of these "in depth breakdowns".

Rice and SHSU have difficult schemes to gameplan for as a defense, regardless of how many starters you're missing. Of course they picked up yards, whether they were busted plays or not.

Alabama is the exact opposite. The offense isn't a difficult one to scheme for, they're talent is just absolutely overwhelming in most areas that it doesn't matter.

The most important part of this game is A&M's front 7 against Alabama's offensive line. Period.
Posted by Rickdaddy4188
Murfreesboro,TN
Member since Aug 2011
46625 posts
Posted on 9/12/13 at 12:10 pm to
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Let me tell you why 4.77 yards per carry is a worthless stat overall. RB 1: 10 Carries for 10 yards each 100 Total yards: 10 YPC RB 2: 9 carries for 0 Yards, 1 carry for 100 yards: 10 YPC.

you'd be right if that was the case here. Bama's longest carry was 18 yards. So it not like they were getting stuffed for 22 carries and then busted two long runs. They ran the ball effectively , but they got down 21-0 making Bama a one dimensional team. They didn't have time to run the ball. They had to push the ball down field. I'm not saying A&M was awful at stopping the run at all , because you did a decent job, but the poster stated that A&M shite down Bama's running game. That's not correct
Posted by TooCold
Alaska
Member since Sep 2011
264 posts
Posted on 9/12/13 at 12:12 pm to
I expect our defense to be much better this Saturday with all of our guys back on the field. There is even talk that Ivan Robinson will be available this Saturday. The defense you see will look different from the last two games.

That being said, we will still have a hard time stopping the run. Our only hope for winning this game will be winning the turnover battle by a significant margin and winning the special teams battle. Otherwise, it will be a long day for us.
Posted by Rickdaddy4188
Murfreesboro,TN
Member since Aug 2011
46625 posts
Posted on 9/12/13 at 12:13 pm to
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forced us out of our normal gameplan.


You're right. But A&M had chances to put the game away and pretty much allowed Bama back into the game. A&M was a 4th down conversion in the second quarter that could've made it 28-0.
Posted by Rickdaddy4188
Murfreesboro,TN
Member since Aug 2011
46625 posts
Posted on 9/12/13 at 12:16 pm to
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Thanks. Looking forward the game in Tiger Stadium also. But first things first. Stop Bama's run game!


I'm not sure what to make of Bama's oline problems. I'd like to think that va tech just has a great defense, but they don't. Plain and simple. They have two good- great def tackles on their line, but nothing else. They didnt have one returning first team all acc on that defense. The same defense that have up 48 to a crappy UNC team.
Posted by Houston Texas Tiger
Houston
Member since Jul 2004
1414 posts
Posted on 9/12/13 at 12:22 pm to
I think the Alabama I think depth will play a bigger role than last years matchup. It will be 95degrees at kickoff and players are depth will be tested. Bama will definitely try to run the ball and slow down the game and limit ATMs offense snaps. I think bamas offensive line versus the ATM d line is the key matchup. That' was the surprise last year and the real reason ATM won.
Posted by Rickdaddy4188
Murfreesboro,TN
Member since Aug 2011
46625 posts
Posted on 9/12/13 at 12:27 pm to
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Rice and SHSU have difficult schemes to gameplan for as a defense, regardless of how many starters you're missing. Of course they picked up yards, whether they were busted plays or not.


What? Those schemes are not hard to game plan for when your 3rd team def should out talent their ones. Sam Houston runs an up tempo offense that you are used to seeing in practice EVERY SINGLE DAY. Rice doesn't have a complex offense either. There is no excuse for giving up 899 total yards in two weeks against Rice and Sam Houston State. Come on bru
Posted by Rickdaddy4188
Murfreesboro,TN
Member since Aug 2011
46625 posts
Posted on 9/12/13 at 12:31 pm to
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I think bamas offensive line versus the ATM d line is the key matchup. That' was the surprise last year and the real reason ATM won.


While A&M's def line played great , it's easier to get penetration when you don't have to worry about staying in your gap and just pinning your years back and trying to get to the qb. AM didnt have to worry about the run because they knew Bama had to throw the ball to even has a chance to win the game. When you're down by 3 TDs you don't have much choice but to throw ball.
Posted by LSU GrandDad
houston, texas
Member since Jun 2009
21564 posts
Posted on 9/12/13 at 12:34 pm to
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The transitive property just doesnt work most of the time.


agreed even though people continue to try and force it too. human performance is not subject to mathematical certainty thank god.
Posted by WreckingCrue
Member since Aug 2013
765 posts
Posted on 9/12/13 at 12:51 pm to
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Bama averaged 6.6 yards a play in the game last year, to TAMU's 5.4 Bama had 3 turnovers to TAMU's zero last year. That was the difference. That and having their heads up their azzes in the 1st qtr. forced us out of our normal gameplan.
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There is so much inaccurate information in this and the entire thread it is amazing. To answer this question. The average yds for Bama went up because in the second half of the fourth on basically back to back offensive plays for Bama - one being a TD the next down to the 5 - Bama picked up a ton of yardage. 2 completed bombs.

A&M played very good D. Was a hair away from another pick. Had to be replayed several times.

Bama punted multiple times. A&M has a pround history of run defense - but does not have the horses now. After the starters there were like 8 true fresh that played. The last 2 classes were very good and in 2-3 more years A&M will field a very good D. Not LSU but very very good.

Good enough that with the offense the Aggies are putting together A&M likes its chances to be in the discussion from say 2015 forward. Maybe sooner due to O.

A&M does not have the horses to try and bully Bama like LSU can. All I want is no blown assignments in defensive backfield - make them work. Make AJ throw difficult throws. If we play like before its pith and catch for six and I could throw the ball.

On the front 7 I just don't want big holes. Just do your jop, stay in your lanes and makes tackles. Muck up the LOS. With starters back and emotions ramping up This is a possibility.

If this happens - it could cause some punts. If so - JFF does his thing. If A&M can score we can win.

Any of those factors don't happen A&M looses.

The x factor is A&M scores easily. and Bama cant keep up. 10% chance.
Posted by Nguyening
SEMO
Member since Jun 2013
9057 posts
Posted on 9/12/13 at 12:57 pm to
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The starters are better than the backups, but the backups are horrendous.

I guarantee you if LSU or Alabama had 5 players suspended on D, they wouldn't be getting gashed like A&M.




Ok.... That's cool but, starters start for a reason. If you're banking on the Def looking like it did in the first two games this weekend, or in baton rouge, I think you're setting yourself up for disappointment.



Everyone knew the team was going to be thin this year at a lot of positions, it tends to happen in the first two years of a new coach.

It would take an Ebola outbreak, or our entire secondary robbing a bank for the Defense to be in that bad of shape again.
Posted by Aggie_2463
College station, tx
Member since Jul 2013
602 posts
Posted on 9/12/13 at 1:05 pm to
Here's the thing for you LSU guys....

Your so used to having to have a bad arse defense because your offense has typically been inept in the past...

With our high powered offense, if we can have an average D we can win games. I know it's tough for you to fathom, but it's possible.
Posted by Dixie Normus
Earth
Member since Sep 2013
2636 posts
Posted on 9/12/13 at 1:06 pm to
I don't think you can blame scheme when Rice gained 300 yards on the ground. It's 300 yards. That's a bunch.
Posted by WreckingCrue
Member since Aug 2013
765 posts
Posted on 9/12/13 at 1:19 pm to
Dixie I don't know how to answer that either. Im hoping the starters can at least slow Bama down. I know a LOT of true fresh were playing.

But I can't take blame away from coaching. I love Snyder - I am also hoping he irons that out.

All of that could help.
Posted by RidiculousHype
St. George, LA
Member since Sep 2007
10201 posts
Posted on 9/12/13 at 1:23 pm to
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I agree with what you said about their defense aand our offense.

The transitive property just doesnt work most of the time.


Pretty much sums it up.

And everyone who has played or coached knows it. You might match up better with a certain team's style and overperform in that game. Your plan might have been to slant the D-line to the TE all game, and their plan was to run away from the TE. If a coaching staff is slow to adjust in-game, that's how you get upsets.

Maybe a team was just working on a certain type of defensive scheme once the game was in hand. Maybe the best player's girlfriend broke up with him the night before. There are many reasons why the transitive property doesn't work in sports.
Posted by TigerBait2008
Boulder,CO
Member since Jun 2008
32426 posts
Posted on 9/12/13 at 1:24 pm to
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Ok.... That's cool but, starters start for a reason. If you're banking on the Def looking like it did in the first two games this weekend, or in baton rouge, I think you're setting yourself up for disappointment



Ok
Posted by 03ki11er
Member since Feb 2012
44 posts
Posted on 9/12/13 at 1:26 pm to
If Bammer wants to play a run the ball and control the clock game then let them do it. It's a great plan if you score touchdowns, but what happens when you have a penalty that forces you to kick a field goal or you turn the ball over? 2 touchdown differential is nothing to A&M's offense. All it takes is a couple of mistakes and A&M will capitalize on a grind it out method. That said, Saban is smarter than that...he'll have a very balanced attack and all i'm hoping for is a perfect game with a couple of turnovers.
Posted by Roger Klarvin
DFW
Member since Nov 2012
46508 posts
Posted on 9/12/13 at 1:26 pm to
quote:

But one thing you might be overlooking is that the A&M front 7 will be playing much harder against Bama than they did those other two.



That and, you know, the fact that five of our starting front seven missed either one or both games due to suspension/injury. Saturday will be the first game with our entire starting front seven in tact.
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