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re: A&M got the Bama treatment
Posted on 10/21/15 at 9:49 am to BearBait09
Posted on 10/21/15 at 9:49 am to BearBait09
Congratulations on upsetting Alabama for the second year in a row. You deserve credit for beating us, period, regardless of turnovers or catches off a player's helmet or anything else. You won, so you won.
That being said...
Memphis.
That being said...
Memphis.
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Posted on 10/21/15 at 9:49 am to IAmReality
"Apparently in Aggie land the other team's starting center getting a concussion and leaving the game counts as a coaching adjustment."
Its apparent you don't know much about the game of football.
Posted on 10/21/15 at 9:49 am to the_watcher
quote:No its not. You just can't see the bigger picture. Which ever side executes most effectively wins. Look at it from a zero sum perspective.
This is so ridiculous and all fan bases do it. "Well if you take away the pick 6's A&M would have won." Fans just selectively remove parts of games that hurt them and assume every thing else would have gone exactly the way it did. This thought process is mind boggling.
You realize Bama could have scored offensively after each of the 3 possessions that included a pick 6 right? A&M could have missed a field goal if Fitzpatrick drops the 1st pick 6. If Kirk doesn't return the punt for a TD, A&M could have fumbled deep in their own territory giving Bama a short field and a possible TD. It goes on and on. The point is, nothing would have been the same. Play calls, points, the clock, nothing.
Posted on 10/21/15 at 9:52 am to BearBait09
One team wins the turnover battle 5-0 and hangs on to win by 6 after a bounce off helmet TD and benefit of two kick off fumbles inside the 20 (including one that was the result of running into his own player).
Another team wins the turnover battle 4-1 and hangs on to win by 18. Yes, pick 6s are rare. Flukey? nah. Also, big difference between a 55 & 93 yard pick six during which you have do actually do something to get points and four turnovers inside the 30 when all you have to do is not die and you can kick a FG.
Another team wins the turnover battle 4-1 and hangs on to win by 18. Yes, pick 6s are rare. Flukey? nah. Also, big difference between a 55 & 93 yard pick six during which you have do actually do something to get points and four turnovers inside the 30 when all you have to do is not die and you can kick a FG.
Posted on 10/21/15 at 9:53 am to oneusairman
Your offense produced 6 points after the first quater or very early in to the second. 3 of those from an int inside the A&M thirty. Bama may have moved the ball some, but by all accounts didn't do much.
Posted on 10/21/15 at 9:55 am to oneusairman
So what you're saying is from 14:56 in the 2nd quarter, the Alabama offense managed 6 offensive points BUT the offense wasn't really shut down because the defense was scoring TDs all game?
Posted on 10/21/15 at 9:57 am to MontyFranklyn
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No its not. You just can't see the bigger picture.
You seem confused. I'm saying you can't just selectively choose important plays from games, totally negate them from the game, and then assume the rest of the game would have been played as it was. I mean technically you can but you'd be an idiot.
To dumb it down even more I'm saying Bama would have beat the shite out of A&M regardless of the pick 6's happening or not.
Posted on 10/21/15 at 9:57 am to Rebel Land Shark
Still doesn't change the fact that on the biggest stage A&M failed. To beat Bama you need to rush the football and control the line of scrimmage. You can pass all you want but 9/10 Bama's secondary will match up with A&M receivers and shut them down.
Posted on 10/21/15 at 9:58 am to BearBait09
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A&M clearly the better squad here
for anyone that watched the game, the opposite was quite clear. A&M was overmatched
Posted on 10/21/15 at 9:58 am to MMB5DAP
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So what you're saying is from 14:56 in the 2nd quarter, the Alabama offense managed 6 offensive points BUT the offense wasn't really shut down because the defense was scoring TDs all game?
Meh. I think our defense definitely stepped up and Chavis made great adjustments, but Alabama does play differently when they are protecting a lead.
Posted on 10/21/15 at 9:59 am to the_watcher
Won the game? Maybe. beat the **** out of?? You are lost.
Posted on 10/21/15 at 10:00 am to MMB5DAP
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So what you're saying is from 14:56 in the 2nd quarter, the Alabama offense managed 6 offensive points BUT the offense wasn't really shut down because the defense was scoring TDs all game?
The middle of the offensive line went from a huge strength to a huge weakness after Kelly went out.
Alabama's offense shutting down was far more due to the backup center sucking than anything A&M was doing.
You guys lost by almost 20 points, you suck arse.
Posted on 10/21/15 at 10:02 am to nicholastiger
Lol, bamas secondary was far from shutting down A&M wr. Won some of the battles? Yes of course. Shut down? No. And yes you do have to run the ball, however the game dictated other wise .
Posted on 10/21/15 at 10:04 am to IAmReality
"The middle of the offensive line went from a huge strength to a huge weakness after Kelly went out.
Alabama's offense shutting down was far more due to the backup center sucking than anything A&M was doing.
You guys lost by almost 20 points, you suck arse."
Lol, like I said, you don't know much about football.
Alabama's offense shutting down was far more due to the backup center sucking than anything A&M was doing.
You guys lost by almost 20 points, you suck arse."
Lol, like I said, you don't know much about football.
Posted on 10/21/15 at 10:04 am to oneusairman
Bama won and they were the better team. No arguing that. A&M helped A LOT though.
Your own stats actually show how Bama's O was pedestrian after the 1st play of the 2nd Quarter. They didn't score another offensive touchdown from that point and one of their FG's was after ANOTHER pick and they had a 7 play drive for 25 yards. Henry did rush for 236 but over 150 of that was on his first 8 carries, after that he essentially ran about 24 times for about 80. Great performance without question but it does show that it was a scheme issue and not a physical issue because if he was physically overpowering A&M he would have gained more as the game went on, not significantly less.
As the game went on A&M was consistently stopping Bama on 1st and 2nd Down and forcing them in to 3rd and long situations that they had trouble converting. That's the key, doing that for 4 quarters and not 3. Once again the optimism though is the bad quarter was the 1st Quarter and not the 4th, you can't fix tired players and lack of depth but you can make adjustments to scheme.
The 3 Pick 6's had very little to do with coverage. The first 2 were straight up overthrows to open receivers from a QB who was not under pressure. The 3rd was a misread by the QB of the direction his WR was going and he threw right instead of left straight to the Bama DB. Ironically the 4th Pick that didn't result in a TD was the closest to a "coverage" int because the Safety spied the route and picked off a long pass with far too much air under it.
No moral victory, A&M lost and Bama won. The only solace is that A&M can play a lot better and if they can learn to take care of the ball they have a shot against anyone. Would they have won without the turnovers? Doesn't matter, turnovers are part of football. Turnovers can be corrected though as Bama showed from their Ole Miss game to this one.
Your own stats actually show how Bama's O was pedestrian after the 1st play of the 2nd Quarter. They didn't score another offensive touchdown from that point and one of their FG's was after ANOTHER pick and they had a 7 play drive for 25 yards. Henry did rush for 236 but over 150 of that was on his first 8 carries, after that he essentially ran about 24 times for about 80. Great performance without question but it does show that it was a scheme issue and not a physical issue because if he was physically overpowering A&M he would have gained more as the game went on, not significantly less.
As the game went on A&M was consistently stopping Bama on 1st and 2nd Down and forcing them in to 3rd and long situations that they had trouble converting. That's the key, doing that for 4 quarters and not 3. Once again the optimism though is the bad quarter was the 1st Quarter and not the 4th, you can't fix tired players and lack of depth but you can make adjustments to scheme.
The 3 Pick 6's had very little to do with coverage. The first 2 were straight up overthrows to open receivers from a QB who was not under pressure. The 3rd was a misread by the QB of the direction his WR was going and he threw right instead of left straight to the Bama DB. Ironically the 4th Pick that didn't result in a TD was the closest to a "coverage" int because the Safety spied the route and picked off a long pass with far too much air under it.
No moral victory, A&M lost and Bama won. The only solace is that A&M can play a lot better and if they can learn to take care of the ball they have a shot against anyone. Would they have won without the turnovers? Doesn't matter, turnovers are part of football. Turnovers can be corrected though as Bama showed from their Ole Miss game to this one.
Posted on 10/21/15 at 10:07 am to MMB5DAP
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So what you're saying is from 14:56 in the 2nd quarter, the Alabama offense managed 6 offensive points BUT the offense wasn't really shut down because the defense was scoring TDs all game?
He's prolly saying that the gameplan changed a bit when A) the team was up by 22 points, B) starting center Kelly got hurt, and C) Drake went out with injury.
The offense just needed to protect the ball and run clock b/c it was clear at that point that the only way A&M was getting back in that game was if the Bama O turned the ball over.
Posted on 10/21/15 at 10:09 am to LA MIGRA52
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Your offense produced 6 points after the first quater or very early in to the second. 3 of those from an int inside the A&M thirty. Bama may have moved the ball some, but by all accounts didn't do much.
Can you read?
Here let me make it simple for you.
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13 points came from offense after the first quarter. In the 4th quarter we kneeled the ball on Texas A&M 9 yard line with a 2 and 1. So could of scored if we wanted to but we just ended the game. But hey when your def is putting up touchdowns from interceptions, that kinda changes the game plan.
Posted on 10/21/15 at 10:10 am to TeLeFaWx
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Meh. I think our defense definitely stepped up and Chavis made great adjustments, but Alabama does play differently when they are protecting a lead.
and when we're playing our backup center. Your DL blowing right past him virtually every play had a little bit to do with our lack of success offensively.
Posted on 10/21/15 at 10:15 am to LA MIGRA52
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Lol, like I said, you don't know much about football.
And you are talking about a game you never saw and absolutely know nothing about.
Posted on 10/21/15 at 10:17 am to bama1959
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But we did have 5 TO's to Ole Piss and outgained them 503 to 433 so Bama was clearly better than OM
Not that I disagree but Ole Miss had a short field like 3 or 4 times that game so who can say they wouldnt have outgained you with 3-4 more possessions starting from their 20-30? Plus did Bama run 30 more plays than OM?
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