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re: 3 months from today will Mike Davis run for 200+ yards against the Aggies?

Posted on 5/28/14 at 10:40 am to
Posted by Stonehog
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Posted on 5/28/14 at 10:40 am to
You and WestCoastAg need to drop that whole style of posting, it's not funny, imaginative, or contributory in any way.
Posted by Stonehog
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Posted on 5/28/14 at 10:42 am to
You said that defense was average "at worst."

Posted by Mirthomatic
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Posted on 5/28/14 at 10:47 am to
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I think you meant to say average at best. That defense was ranked about 60th nationally.



Scoring Defense was #26.

Total Yardage Defense was #57, but that gets inflated due to the kind of offense we run.

More informative are the rate stats: Pass Efficiency defense was #39, and 3rd Down Efficiency Defense was #16.

And if you want to get sabermetric, Football Outsiders' FEI rated that defense #20, and the S&P rated it #9.

LINK

So no, I meant average at worst. The 2012 defense was actually pretty good. Everyone focuses on the one blowup game against LaTech, but A&M didn't give up 30 pts in any other game that year. That kind of defense, coupled w/ Sumlin's offense, will win a lot of games.
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Posted on 5/28/14 at 10:52 am to
But didn't you just say that Sherman only left offensive firepower for Sumlin? If the defense was good in Sumlin's first year, but terrible in his second, what does that imply?
Posted by Dr RC
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Posted on 5/28/14 at 10:54 am to
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But didn't you just say that Sherman only left offensive firepower for Sumlin? If the defense was good in Sumlin's first year, but terrible in his second, what does that imply?


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Posted on 5/28/14 at 10:57 am to
Way to dodge the question.
Posted by Spirit Of Aggieland
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Posted on 5/28/14 at 11:01 am to
2013 is in the past. There are new players who have added much needed talent to that side of the ball. Unproven, but the potential is there.

If frosh DT Henderson can get into top shape, he can be a disruptive force. He is a big/strong kid.

LB Mastrogiovanni looks to be a solid LB. He played as a frosh last year, and really has kept the momentum this spring.

DE Garrett looks like he can be a disruptor on the edge as a frosh.

If you have a disruptive force at DT, then your D-coord can do some things with it. Back that up with solid LB, and you can stop the run. Add a good DE to pressure the edge, and you can field a decent defense.

If we hold him to 199 then I'll be happy.
Posted by Swaggit
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Posted on 5/28/14 at 11:02 am to
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But didn't you just say that Sherman only left offensive firepower for Sumlin? If the defense was good in Sumlin's first year, but terrible in his second, what does that imply?


Damn you're a stupid pig.

It means we had a senior defense and nothing behind it. It means our starters were pretty decent and the backups weren't too great. It means that after those seniors left, we had crap for talent and depth (something that has been addressed since Sumlin got here).

Is it easy to think about shite when I list it like that?
Posted by Mirthomatic
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Posted on 5/28/14 at 11:04 am to
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But didn't you just say that Sherman only left offensive firepower for Sumlin? If the defense was good in Sumlin's first year, but terrible in his second, what does that imply?


He left him seniors like Sean Porter, Jonathan Stewart, and Spencer Nealy. Add in junior (and eventual early draft entrant) Damontre Moore, and yes, there was some talent for Snyder to work with. After that? Pretty much a wasteland. CB Deshazor Everett is good, and that's about it. Hell, in 2013, Sumlin had to convert a senior WR to start at LB. And at any one time, at least half of the front 7 were true freshmen.
This post was edited on 5/28/14 at 11:05 am
Posted by Swaggit
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Posted on 5/28/14 at 11:04 am to
I expect golden and manning to have a pretty good year along he front also.
Posted by Projectpat
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Posted on 5/28/14 at 11:05 am to
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After giving up 38 points in the first half to DUKE, they really tightened up and only allowed 10 more on the way to a dramatic comeback win.

Against Duke.


You act like people don't talk about Arky in an even more dismissive manner.
Posted by Swaggit
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Posted on 5/28/14 at 11:05 am to
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He left him seniors like Sean Porter, Jonathan Stewart, and Spencer Nealy. Add in junior (and eventual early draft entrant) Damontre Moore, and yes, there was some talent for Snyder to work with. After that? Pretty much a wasteland. CB Deshazor Everett is good, and that's about it. Hell, Sumlin had to convert a senior WR to start at LB. And at any one time, at least half of the front 7 were true freshmen.


If he can't wrap his brain around the two statements we just made (both the exact same just simpler and simpler) there is no use.
Posted by Stonehog
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Posted on 5/28/14 at 11:07 am to
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He left him seniors like Sean Porter, Jonathan Stewart, and Spencer Nealy. Add in junior (and eventual early draft entrant) Damontre Moore, and yes, there was some talent for Snyder to work with.


So I guess this statement you made is false:

quote:

Mike Sherman left a lot of offensive firepower to Kevin Sumlin, but almost none on defense.


Posted by Swaggit
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Posted on 5/28/14 at 11:08 am to
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You act like people don't talk about Arky in an even more dismissive manner.


People don't talk about arky, they snicker about arky.

I mean, 0'fers are embarrassing as frick. Not that I would know.
Posted by MMB5DAP
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Posted on 5/28/14 at 11:08 am to
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And at any one time, at least half of the front 7 were true freshmen.


The front 7 had one good game all season. The beatdown on a decent Vandy. Our secondary can be pretty good if the DL plays well. It all starts up front and if the DL plays poorly it dominoes to all other positions; LBs having to shed offensive lineman in order to make a play, DBs having to cover for 8+ seconds, etc.
Posted by Swaggit
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Posted on 5/28/14 at 11:09 am to
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almost



That word, it doesn't mean what you think it me as, obviously.

If you can't differentiate that we had talent for more than one year on the offensive side of the ball compared to the defensive side of the ball, then you are dumber than I posted earlier.
Posted by MMB5DAP
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Posted on 5/28/14 at 11:10 am to
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So I guess this statement you made is false:

quote:Mike Sherman left a lot of offensive firepower to Kevin Sumlin, but almost none on defense.


No, Sherman left nothing on defense outside of the seniors for the 2012 season. Which is why Sumlin had a good defense with those players and a rough one having to play true freshman all over the place.
Posted by Spirit Of Aggieland
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Posted on 5/28/14 at 11:10 am to
Yep, I was just being brief by citing only a couple of examples. I have high hopes for Golden and Manning as well. They are talented enough. With Walker and Williams in the mix as well, we have a talented enough pool to rotate.

Edit: the facts are only for the 10% of rantards who care to engage in actual football talk. 90% prefer perpetual trolling and/or arguing.
This post was edited on 5/28/14 at 11:14 am
Posted by Dr RC
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Posted on 5/28/14 at 11:11 am to


No dodge. I'm legitimately concerned about your cognitive abilities.
Posted by Swaggit
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Posted on 5/28/14 at 11:11 am to
Forgot about walker!
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