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Posted on 1/13/17 at 8:38 am to knowingabyss
Posted on 1/13/17 at 8:38 am to knowingabyss
LSU
RB Leonard Fournette - top 10 pick. Warranted. Despite the hate he gets from the SECr, you couldn't sculpt a better RB in the lab.
S Jamal Adams - top 15 pick. Just a very solid all around safety, not really any weaknesses. He isn't the athlete that a Jabrill Peppers is, and he isn't the ball hawk like a Malik Hooker, but he does everything well
CB Tre'Davious White - 2nd rounder. Could be a steal due to such a deep CB class. He will be a starter for 7+ years.
C Ethan Pocic - 2-3 rounder.
DT Davon Godchaux - 2-3 rounder. Could fall a bit from off the field issues. His success hinges on where he goes. I think his best fit is a 3-4 DE. Not big enough for a traditional DT or quick enough for a 4-3 DE.
WR Malachi Dupre - 2-3 round if he goes. Boom or bust. Underutilized with our pathetic pass game for most of his career. He is a fluid, tall athlete with top end speed and can go up for the ball. Toughness has been questioned at times. He will either be a great player or do nothing, I don't see much room in the middle for him in the NFL.
LB Duke Riley - late rounds b/c of size. Great instincts. Could flourish with the right system
LB Kendall Beckwith - 3-4 round. Will be a solid player
WR Travin Dural - late rounds - UD. Got fat and lost speed. Doubt he will have much of a career
LB Tashawn Bower - late rounds - UD.
DE Lewis Neal 4-5 round. Tweener, don't know if he has an NFL position. Similar in size and stature to a Dumervil, Freeney but without the explosiveness.
G Josh Boutte - late rounds. Mauler against the run. Will need to work on pass pro
S Ricky Jefferson - late rounds - UD. SOlid in the box safety. Struggles in coverage. Coming off injury
CB Dwayne Thomas - late rounds. Pretty good player. Could be a nice nickel corner in the NFL
TE Colin Jeter - UD
RB Leonard Fournette - top 10 pick. Warranted. Despite the hate he gets from the SECr, you couldn't sculpt a better RB in the lab.
S Jamal Adams - top 15 pick. Just a very solid all around safety, not really any weaknesses. He isn't the athlete that a Jabrill Peppers is, and he isn't the ball hawk like a Malik Hooker, but he does everything well
CB Tre'Davious White - 2nd rounder. Could be a steal due to such a deep CB class. He will be a starter for 7+ years.
C Ethan Pocic - 2-3 rounder.
DT Davon Godchaux - 2-3 rounder. Could fall a bit from off the field issues. His success hinges on where he goes. I think his best fit is a 3-4 DE. Not big enough for a traditional DT or quick enough for a 4-3 DE.
WR Malachi Dupre - 2-3 round if he goes. Boom or bust. Underutilized with our pathetic pass game for most of his career. He is a fluid, tall athlete with top end speed and can go up for the ball. Toughness has been questioned at times. He will either be a great player or do nothing, I don't see much room in the middle for him in the NFL.
LB Duke Riley - late rounds b/c of size. Great instincts. Could flourish with the right system
LB Kendall Beckwith - 3-4 round. Will be a solid player
WR Travin Dural - late rounds - UD. Got fat and lost speed. Doubt he will have much of a career
LB Tashawn Bower - late rounds - UD.
DE Lewis Neal 4-5 round. Tweener, don't know if he has an NFL position. Similar in size and stature to a Dumervil, Freeney but without the explosiveness.
G Josh Boutte - late rounds. Mauler against the run. Will need to work on pass pro
S Ricky Jefferson - late rounds - UD. SOlid in the box safety. Struggles in coverage. Coming off injury
CB Dwayne Thomas - late rounds. Pretty good player. Could be a nice nickel corner in the NFL
TE Colin Jeter - UD
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Posted on 1/13/17 at 8:47 am to Tigerfan56
Agree with all of those, nice assessment
Posted on 1/13/17 at 8:48 am to Tigerfan56
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Tigerfan56
Good stuff. A lot of SEC players that I'd love to see drop a bit and have the Falcons grab late.
Both Beckwith and JRM would be great in secondary LB roles. JRM would be perfect for what the Falcons do.
This post was edited on 1/13/17 at 8:50 am
Posted on 1/13/17 at 8:50 am to Triple Daves
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RB Leonard Fournette - top 10 pick. Warranted. Despite the hate he gets from the SECr, you couldn't sculpt a better RB in the lab.
I love Leonard Fournette as a RB in the NFL but his injuries will scare people off him in the first round I believe
though Zeke Elliot has people believing in drafting RBs again so who knows
Posted on 1/13/17 at 9:04 am to Wallacewade04
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I love Leonard Fournette as a RB in the NFL but his injuries will scare people off him in the first round I believe
What injuries? He didn't miss a single game through his first two years, and had a high ankle sprain this year, which should be healed before the combine.
Posted on 1/13/17 at 9:06 am to knowingabyss
I think Chad Kelly could be a late round steal, with such a weak qb class this year. It might never click for him between the ears, but he's got all the arm talent in the world.
Zach Cunningham is a beast. I imagine Reuben Foster goes before him in the draft, but I wouldn't be surprised at all if Cunningham has a 10 year career with multiple pro-bowl/all-pro seasons.
And not to start a full on riot, but I think Derek Barnett is going to be an animal at the next level. Might be the best edge guy in the draft
Zach Cunningham is a beast. I imagine Reuben Foster goes before him in the draft, but I wouldn't be surprised at all if Cunningham has a 10 year career with multiple pro-bowl/all-pro seasons.
And not to start a full on riot, but I think Derek Barnett is going to be an animal at the next level. Might be the best edge guy in the draft
This post was edited on 1/13/17 at 9:07 am
Posted on 1/13/17 at 9:10 am to volfan30
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volfan30
Fantastic read
Posted on 1/13/17 at 9:14 am to Riseupfromtherubble
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I like JRM a lot at the next level. The hybrid linebacker, used to call them "rovers," is making a comeback in the league. Guys that have basically outgrown the safety position but still have those years of coverage experience to fall back on are very valuable in a passing league.
Agreed. The key with him is staying healthy. IIRC, this is his second shoulder tear and could be a pretty big red flag.
When healthy, JRM is a stud with outstanding sideline to sideline speed that can drop into coverage and also chase down/take down skill players in the open field. He's a very smart player too who is rarely caught out of position. Tennessee's defense missed him so much last season.
This post was edited on 1/13/17 at 9:15 am
Posted on 1/13/17 at 9:18 am to Wallacewade04
quote:Really one of the primary reasons it worked out for Dallas is because they have the best O-Line in football, and probably the best O-Line football has seen in quite some time. Unless a team has a line that's already good/elite, expect them to wait to pick up any RBs as the norm usually has been lately.
though Zeke Elliot has people believing in drafting RBs again so who knows
That said, that doesn't mean Zeke isn't good. He's a very good RB, but plenty of credit belongs to that line.
On that same note, I've seen multiple projections saying LF to Carolina in the 1st. If Carolina doesn't take care of the O-Line issues first, that would be a dumbass pick imo. Doesn't do any good to have a good RB if your line sucks.
This post was edited on 1/13/17 at 9:19 am
Posted on 1/13/17 at 9:23 am to Kodar
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If Carolina doesn't take care of the O-Line issues first, that would be a dumbass pick imo. Doesn't do any good to have a good RB if your line sucks.
Everyone wanted Jerry Jones killed for taking Martin and Frederick with first rounders in back to back drafts. Drafting OL early is never the sexy move but look at that Dallas offensive line now.
How bad is Carolina's current OL situation?
This post was edited on 1/13/17 at 9:41 am
Posted on 1/13/17 at 9:28 am to David Ricky
quote:Very bad. Cam never had much of a chance this season. That OL is decent when there are no injuries period, but it has no good depth.
How bad is Carolina's current OL situation?
It's been that way too since before last year when they made it to the Super Bowl. It just didn't bite them until Denver in the SB, and it was bad as we all saw
Posted on 1/13/17 at 9:29 am to David Ricky
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How bad is Carolina's current OL situation?
Didn't Carolina have one of the better OL's just a year ago when they went to the SB? What happened? I know they still have Turner who is a very good player, don't know much else
Posted on 1/13/17 at 9:29 am to Tigerfan56
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Didn't Carolina have one of the better OL's just a year ago when they went to the SB?
I think a lot of that was Cam's ability to open up run lanes for himself and the backs.
Their OL was pretty shaky even then.
Posted on 1/13/17 at 9:31 am to Tigerfan56
quote:The OL was decent that year, and injuries wasn't really an issue either. This year when the OL injuries piled up, the lack of depth got exposed in a bad way.
Didn't Carolina have one of the better OL's just a year ago when they went to the SB? What happened? I know they still have Turner who is a very good player, don't know much else
Don't get me wrong, it's not all terrible. There are some solid OL there, but depth is a massive issue, and there are serious holes on the line, particularly at tackle.
Posted on 1/13/17 at 9:33 am to Triple Daves
quote:This is very true as well. Cam was able to make do when the OL was decent enough without injuries, but that didn't happen this season.
I think a lot of that was Cam's ability to open up run lanes for himself and the backs.
Their OL was pretty shaky even then.
Posted on 1/13/17 at 9:42 am to David Ricky
Auburn
Adams-could go late first but will probably go 2nd or possibly 3rd depending on how raw he is relative to NFL schemes...too much upside to go any lower.
Lawson-3rd round. Incredible work ethic, technique, hands, quickness but lacks typical speed and bend to be a 1st round guy. Could have had 15 plus sacks this year if he had half of Miles Garrett's natural gifts. Also health concerns.
Kozan- undrafted. He was a great college OL but he almost retired a couple times due to back problems. Would have to be a OC in pros but I think his back issues are pretty bad.
Rudy Ford-6th or 7th round. I think he could have been a 3rd round guy had Muschamp had another year with him. Steele's scheme didn't highlight our DBs at all as we were in a base 95% of the time.
Maurice Swain/Lawrence- two more huge DTs that Muschamp really liked and Steele never played. They will go undrafted and one will become the yearly random AU undrafted FA rookie that is starting for a team.
Tony Stevens- not even on radar
Marcus Davis- not on radar
Leff-someone could take a chance on him but will most likely be a FA.
Neal- hardly stepped on the field but was HM all big ten so maybe he gets a chance. Definitely hurt his chances by transferring.
Taylor- same as Neal, never saw the field and probably would have been a late round guy had he not transfered in.
Jeremy Johnson- haha
Adams-could go late first but will probably go 2nd or possibly 3rd depending on how raw he is relative to NFL schemes...too much upside to go any lower.
Lawson-3rd round. Incredible work ethic, technique, hands, quickness but lacks typical speed and bend to be a 1st round guy. Could have had 15 plus sacks this year if he had half of Miles Garrett's natural gifts. Also health concerns.
Kozan- undrafted. He was a great college OL but he almost retired a couple times due to back problems. Would have to be a OC in pros but I think his back issues are pretty bad.
Rudy Ford-6th or 7th round. I think he could have been a 3rd round guy had Muschamp had another year with him. Steele's scheme didn't highlight our DBs at all as we were in a base 95% of the time.
Maurice Swain/Lawrence- two more huge DTs that Muschamp really liked and Steele never played. They will go undrafted and one will become the yearly random AU undrafted FA rookie that is starting for a team.
Tony Stevens- not even on radar
Marcus Davis- not on radar
Leff-someone could take a chance on him but will most likely be a FA.
Neal- hardly stepped on the field but was HM all big ten so maybe he gets a chance. Definitely hurt his chances by transferring.
Taylor- same as Neal, never saw the field and probably would have been a late round guy had he not transfered in.
Jeremy Johnson- haha
Posted on 1/13/17 at 9:48 am to knowingabyss
Aside from Garrett, I think Evans and Reynolds have a chance to stick in the NFL for several years and maybe do more than that. Reynolds isn't a burner but he's great in the air and a very smart WR. I'm interested to see where he gets picked and what team he ends up with
Posted on 1/13/17 at 10:55 am to TIGERSPIKE
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Lawson-3rd round. Incredible work ethic, technique, hands, quickness but lacks typical speed and bend to be a 1st round guy. Could have had 15 plus sacks this year if he had half of Miles Garrett's natural gifts. Also health concerns.
Carl Lawson will not drop as far as the 3rd unless he suffers an injury between now and the draft.
His best features are his work ethic, passion and knowledge for the game, and leadership abilities. These are going to carry him through the combine and through individual workouts, and he has enough physical tools to impress coaches.
McShay says he's in the top 32, Kiper has him as a 2nd rounder but potential 1st, and Walter Football says 2nd round. I personally think he's the kind of guy that will impress a coach or two and jump ahead of a few DEs that have more physical gifts.
Similar to Dee Ford a few years ago.
Posted on 1/13/17 at 12:50 pm to knowingabyss
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Arkansas
T Dan Skipper- Probably 5th round. Ability to block kicks could help.
TE Jeremy Sprinkle- Might have gone 3rd round before his Belk incident but now I'll say 4th or 5th.
DT Jeremiah Ledbetter- UDFA but could stick on a team without a lot of DL depth
DE Deatrich Wise- Will go higher than he should. I'll say 4th.
LB Brooks Ellis- Tough one, could be better in the NFL than he was in college but can't see him getting drafted.
WR Keon Hatcher- 5th at the earliest. They'll like his blocking.
CB Jared Collins- Will probably get a shot as an UDFA somewhere but won't last long
WR Domonique Reed- Dude will kill all the measurable tests and may get a shot because of that but he's too thin and doesn't care enough to make it
WR Drew Morgan- late round or UDFA but if anyone of our guys make it, I would bet on him. Future Patriot.
NOPE:
LB Josh Williams
CB DJ Dean
DT Taiwan Johnson
DE JaMichael Winston
RB Kody Walker
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