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re: 2015 SEC football teams ranked by CBS NFL draft

Posted on 2/11/15 at 9:15 am to
Posted by tylerdurden24
Member since Sep 2009
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Posted on 2/11/15 at 9:15 am to
I like what our defense is now stocked with, but they're not more talented than the offense at this point. Let's be real.
Posted by bamasgot13
Birmingham
Member since Feb 2010
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Posted on 2/11/15 at 9:17 am to
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Fournette, Dupre, and Vadal Alexander are all #1 for their position for their year according to CBS


I like Fournette, but Chubb should be ranked #1 based on production alone.

Chubb averaged 7.1 ypc to Fournette's 5.5 (29% more ypc)
Chubb averaged a TD 15.64 rushing attempts to Fournette's TD for every 18.7 attempts (Chubb scored 20% more frequently)
Posted by skirpnasty
Atlantis
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Posted on 2/11/15 at 9:54 am to
Can you post a breakdown of how you calculated the scores? Would be helpful to actually know what I'm looking at.

An NFL projection probably isn't a great way to rank college performance but still interesting. I think you would get a more accurate result if we were to take it and weight certain positions more heavily, and even weigh the most talented players more heavily. College is much more about utilizing your best guys than the NFL, especially skill positions.

This post was edited on 2/11/15 at 9:58 am
Posted by WG_Dawg
Hoover
Member since Jun 2004
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Posted on 2/11/15 at 9:57 am to
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Chubb averaged 7.1 ypc to Fournette's 5.5 (29% more ypc)
Chubb averaged a TD 15.64 rushing attempts to Fournette's TD for every 18.7 attempts (Chubb scored 20% more frequently)


Plus chubb is simply better which is clear to anyone who watched them both. But yeah the stats are nice too!
Posted by coachcrisp
pensacola, fl
Member since Jun 2012
30597 posts
Posted on 2/11/15 at 10:24 am to
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quote:That's 8 of 11 players ranked within the top 5 for position and year. By far the most talented team according to CBS. Says nothing about productivity. But...shouldn't it?
..a question so obvious that it shouldn't have even been needed!
Posted by circlerebel17
Member since Oct 2014
473 posts
Posted on 2/11/15 at 10:35 am to
thank you for admitting the system was biased
Posted by skrayper
21-0 Asterisk Drive
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Posted on 2/11/15 at 10:36 am to
So, what excuse will LSU use this year then?
Posted by MizBob
St. Louis
Member since Sep 2012
1149 posts
Posted on 2/11/15 at 10:44 am to
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14. Missouri (7.3)
This is what makes winning even more fun.
This post was edited on 2/11/15 at 10:47 am
Posted by CharlesLSU
Member since Jan 2007
31888 posts
Posted on 2/11/15 at 10:46 am to
These lists are more of an indictment of coaching......
Posted by BornKjun
New Orleans
Member since Apr 2008
954 posts
Posted on 2/11/15 at 10:52 am to
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Is there any chance of finding this same analysis from prior years measured against the actual results from those years?

Anyone can rank a bunch of stats. But what are the rankings worth?



Well, he does rank draft eligible players from this year that I didn't include because it was meant to be one measure of talent for 2015 teams.

I could add them-- not going to-- to everyone else and it should somewhat be the 2014 version of this although it would have the benefit of hindsight-- some players who emerged this year would be ranked higher now than preseason.

The rankings are a step above ranking teams by recruiting class rank. While not flawless, recruiting ranking do tend to predict future success over time.
This post was edited on 2/11/15 at 10:56 am
Posted by BornKjun
New Orleans
Member since Apr 2008
954 posts
Posted on 2/11/15 at 11:06 am to
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Can you post a breakdown of how you calculated the scores? Would be helpful to actually know what I'm looking at. ..

I think you would get a more accurate result if we were to take it and weight certain positions more heavily,



Didn't really want to get into it.

In short, I do weight it by position. I used median salaries of NFL starters to determine weight. NFL teams spend about 20-25% of the total salaries for starters on offense on QBs. The QB's score is 20-25% of the offense's score, roughly.

In short, top 4 players were given a score higher than top 8, etc. 2014 Jrs. were considered slightly better than 2014 Sos. who were considered slightly better than 2014 Fr.

For example, as discussed above, I scored Fournette as an equal to Chubb because both are Top 4 RBs for 2018 according to CBS.

One problem was that no QB for Ole Miss was ranked. I used an average for the other SEC QBs for Ole Miss. That was it.

The numbers next to the team is basically meaningless except when compared to another team (higher is better). The ranking are only as good as CBS ranked them. Their ranking is probably about as good as it gets..
This post was edited on 2/11/15 at 11:33 am
Posted by BornKjun
New Orleans
Member since Apr 2008
954 posts
Posted on 2/11/15 at 11:08 am to
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These lists are more of an indictment of coaching......


Negatigers all over the place.

This is a projection for 2015! Most of the talent on LSU's offense were freshmen last year.

Just let things play out

ESPN's FPI does have LSU ranked 3rd for next year.. Started at 11th last year; finished at 17th

ESPN 2015 FPI
This post was edited on 2/11/15 at 11:25 am
Posted by Big Block Stingray
Top down on open road
Member since Feb 2009
1976 posts
Posted on 2/11/15 at 12:12 pm to
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So, what excuse will LSU use this year then?


Were not motivated, they beat themselves
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