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re: 2008 USC vs 2011 Alabama
Posted on 12/19/14 at 11:54 am to Chronic
Posted on 12/19/14 at 11:54 am to Chronic
2008 USC vs 2011 Alabama
"No one gives a shite about draft picks in relation to how good a college team is. Heisman Trophy winners regularly bust in the NFL and/or barely get drafted at all (Jason White, Tim Tebow, et al). Players who didn't realize their potential also regularly do well. Using draft picks as a proxy for great teams is so dumb."
Not when the overwhelming support for that team being better than another team of equal record, etc is "they were more talented. Look at all that NFL talent"
"No one gives a shite about draft picks in relation to how good a college team is. Heisman Trophy winners regularly bust in the NFL and/or barely get drafted at all (Jason White, Tim Tebow, et al). Players who didn't realize their potential also regularly do well. Using draft picks as a proxy for great teams is so dumb."
Not when the overwhelming support for that team being better than another team of equal record, etc is "they were more talented. Look at all that NFL talent"
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Posted on 12/19/14 at 11:54 am to VADawg
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2008 UF was awesome, but they also lost at home to Ole Miss. The best team ever conversation really has two candidates: 1995 Nebraska and 2001 Miami. 2001 Miami beat ranked teams in consecutive weeks by a combined score of 124-7.
I'm with this... here is how id rank the teams discussed in this thread....
1. 95 nebraska
2. 01 miami
3. 04 usc
4. 05 texas
5. 08 florida
6. 11 alabama
7. 08 usc
7. 11 lsu
there are 3 tiers. the top 2 teams (tier 1)are undisputed. the bottom 3 each have flaws, LSU and bama's offense just weren't good enough to put them in conversation for all time goat. USC 08 had a bad loss. usc 08 would have beat 11 LSU, their D was on par with bama 11, with a better offense. would be a low scoring game. i put florida 08 in the 2nd tier because their defense was good as any team in the 3rd tier, but with a better offense.
Posted on 12/19/14 at 11:55 am to jvilletiger25
Nothing like a cheap shot to establish superiority against an incredibly overrated UGA team. By your use of "thuga", I can tell you're either mentally challenged or in 7th grade. If memory serves me correctly, USC showed what their A game could do when they squeaked by OU 55-19. But yeah, Auburn was better. Keep telling yourself that.
OU and Cal were better than any team Auburn beat that season.
OU and Cal were better than any team Auburn beat that season.
This post was edited on 12/19/14 at 11:57 am
Posted on 12/19/14 at 11:59 am to 632627
I would make an argument that 2000 Oklahoma belongs in that discussion too. They were mostly dominant against one of the nastiest schedules any CFB team has ever faced, especially a three game stretch vs #11 Texas (62-14), @ #3 Kansas St (41-31) and home vs #1 Nebraska (31-14). That team wasn't as talented as others, but that's one of the more impressive resumes ever.
Posted on 12/19/14 at 12:03 pm to VADawg
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I would make an argument that 2000 Oklahoma belongs in that discussion too. They were mostly dominant against one of the nastiest schedules any CFB team has ever faced, especially a three game stretch vs #11 Texas (62-14), @ #3 Kansas St (41-31) and home vs #1 Nebraska (31-14). That team wasn't as talented as others, but that's one of the more impressive resumes ever.
really good team that kind of gets lost in the discussion because a. the bcs title game they played in was by far the worst ever and b. IIRC they started the season really dominant but played a bunch of close games to inferior opponents later in the year
Posted on 12/19/14 at 12:06 pm to 632627
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6. 11 alabama
You don't rank a team that won a national championship with the best defense in college football history and averaged 35 points per game on offense at #6.
That 2011 Bama team would have beaten the absolute dog shite out of 2004 USC or 2005 Texas.
Posted on 12/19/14 at 12:06 pm to VADawg
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Heisman winners:
2004 USC- 2
2004 Auburn- 0
That 2004 Auburn team was really, really good, but no one got up for big games like Carroll's great USC teams. They sometimes struggled agaisnt ordinary teams (Oregon State), but their A game was 10-14 points better than Auburn's. I'll take Leinart, Bush and White in a big game over Campbell, Brown and Williams every time.
Heisman winners? Are you serious? If ever an award was about media hype vs actual ability the Heisman is just such an award. Those USC teams beat below average highly ranked teams. I would think as an UGA fan you would understand this reality since GA Tech has a national title since your last national title that they did not deserve. They beat a #1 ranked Virginia team mid season that finished 6-6 with a loss to another mid level UT team in the Sugar Bowl. Actually at the end of that season Tech had beaten 4 or 5 ranked teams at the time the game was played of which none were ranked after the season. Perception isn't always reality.
The OU team USC beat in the BCS game is a wonderful example of a paper tiger.
Your perception was that Leinart, Bush and White are superior to Campbell, Brown and Williams, but the truth is they weren't. They were inferior. They played an easier schedule and had less talent and pieces to be successful around them.
This post was edited on 12/19/14 at 12:08 pm
Posted on 12/19/14 at 12:11 pm to Tuscaloosa
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2011 Bama would have beaten the absolute dog shite out of 2004 USC or 2005 Texas
Those two teams, especially 2005 Texas, were a lot better than many on this site seem to give them credit for. I wouldn't feel really good about a game with 2005 Vince Young on the other sideline.
Posted on 12/19/14 at 12:11 pm to Tuscaloosa
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That 2011 Bama team would have beaten the absolute dog shite out of 2004 USC or 2005 Texas.
big difference between those texas and USC offenses and the dogshit LSU offense you guys shut down
Posted on 12/19/14 at 12:14 pm to Tigerman97
Leinart, Bush and White takes a backseat to no backfield I have ever seen in college football. They also had Dwayne Jarrett and Steve Smith at WR, who were infinitely better than any WR Auburn had. They had big game experience, a wonderful defensive mind as a HC, and when fully motivated, those USC teams were damn near unbeatable. The 2004 USC team was significantly better than the 2003 USC team that put a monster arse beating on Auburn to open the season in Jordan-Hare.
Posted on 12/19/14 at 12:15 pm to 632627
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big difference between those texas and USC offenses and the dog shite LSU offense you guys shut down
Greatest defense of all time. Tell me how many points you think USC and Texas score on the greatest defense of all time. Go ahead. Entertain me.
Posted on 12/19/14 at 12:19 pm to Tuscaloosa
Texas would have scored around 27 or so simply because Vince Young was historically good in the biggest game he played, and in general was an unstoppable QB. They had a very good OL, Jamaal Charles (decent RB, maybe you've heard of him), a solid possession TE in David Thomas, and a good, well rounded WR core led by 6'5 Limas Sweed.
USC would have hit anywhere between 21-30 depending on the day. These weren't two average offenses we're talking about here; these were two of the better offenses who have ever played college football.
USC would have hit anywhere between 21-30 depending on the day. These weren't two average offenses we're talking about here; these were two of the better offenses who have ever played college football.
Posted on 12/19/14 at 12:29 pm to Tuscaloosa
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That 2011 Bama team would have beaten the absolute dog shite out of 2004 USC or 2005 Texas.
Posted on 12/19/14 at 12:31 pm to VADawg
You seriously think auburns backfield was better than usc?
Leinart >>> Campbell
Bush>>>Cadillac=brown>>>white
Fwiw McFadden plus Felix jones was a better combo than Cadillac and brown
Leinart >>> Campbell
Bush>>>Cadillac=brown>>>white
Fwiw McFadden plus Felix jones was a better combo than Cadillac and brown
Posted on 12/19/14 at 12:35 pm to 632627
Umm no. I think 2004/05 USC had arguably the best college backfield of all time. Leinart went something like 38-2 as a starter in college. Bush was an electrifying playmaker, and White set the all time USC record for TD runs in a season.
I hated USC in the mid 2000s but now that I'm older, I can appreciate how good those teams actually were.
I hated USC in the mid 2000s but now that I'm older, I can appreciate how good those teams actually were.
This post was edited on 12/19/14 at 12:41 pm
Posted on 12/19/14 at 12:40 pm to VADawg
I was responding to the auburn fan
Posted on 12/19/14 at 12:42 pm to 632627
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Fwiw McFadden plus Felix jones was a better combo than Cadillac and brown
Posted on 12/19/14 at 12:44 pm to Tuscaloosa
quote:2011 Alabama wouldn't be able to score with 2004 USC or 2005 Texas.
That 2011 Bama team would have beaten the absolute dog shite out of 2004 USC or 2005 Texas
Posted on 12/19/14 at 12:47 pm to 632627
Gotta disagree. I don't think 04 USC is better than some of the teams you listed. Just my opinion based on what I've seen
Posted on 12/19/14 at 12:48 pm to TTsTowel
Whatever, 2011 LSU defense is better than either
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