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re: 1st time in a long time that the SEC has far more bad teams than good
Posted on 9/27/15 at 9:51 am to Monticello
Posted on 9/27/15 at 9:51 am to Monticello
ATM might still be mathematically alive for the playoff, but I will be shocked if they make it. Their biggest wins are against Arkansas in overtime and a Arizona State team that was just destroyed by Southern Cal
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Posted on 9/27/15 at 9:52 am to WDE24
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There are 5 teams that look like they might be good and 9 that look relatively pedestrian or worse.
I'd say most of CFB looks pretty pedestrian this year. TCU needed a miracle to close out Tech. Oregon got boat raced. Outside of OSU and Mich St, I'm not sure there's anyone outside the SEC who looks all that formidable.
Posted on 9/27/15 at 9:53 am to WDE24
That's fair enough, but using any other metric you want, I don't think those teams are "bad" teams. Not at all. Any one of them would be competitive against the best teams in the ACC and would be middle of the pack in the B1G and Big 12 IMO.
Posted on 9/27/15 at 9:53 am to BluegrassBelle
quote:That doesn't make a team good. Hell, AU still has a chance for a bowl game simply because they get to play to other conference teams that aren't very good.
n good shape for bowl eligibility.
Posted on 9/27/15 at 9:55 am to Monticello
How do you call those teams bad when Alabama is currently tied for 6th in the west
Posted on 9/27/15 at 9:56 am to WDE24
We have a winning record overall and in conference right now. Just beat #25, who was the 2-time defending East champs on a 12 game road winning streak. Florida just extended two conference winning streaks.
What are your qualifications for a "good team"? Or is it just a "I'm gonna call everyone else sucky because my team is struggling". Because that's certainly what it seems like.
What are your qualifications for a "good team"? Or is it just a "I'm gonna call everyone else sucky because my team is struggling". Because that's certainly what it seems like.
This post was edited on 9/27/15 at 9:57 am
Posted on 9/27/15 at 9:56 am to the808bass
quote:UCLA might be good, but I agree. If Georgia's QB continues to play well as the competition level goes up, they could be there. OM and LSU both have a chance as well.
I'm not sure there's anyone outside the SEC who looks all that formidable.
Posted on 9/27/15 at 9:59 am to the808bass
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Outside of OSU and Mich St, I'm not sure there's anyone outside the SEC who looks all that formidable.
Neither one of them has looked real good. MSU gets credit for beating Oregon ho was stomped by 42 points yesterday. Michigan had the most impressive victory of the year yesterday, beating BYU 31-0.
Posted on 9/27/15 at 10:00 am to Mohican
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The rest of college football is in the same boat. Times have changed. The days of true dominance seem to be over.
No doubt, but that seems to be the OP's point. We can no longer claim that the SEC is so great top to bottom that we are in a category all to ourselves and deserve special consideration by pollsters, media, and the selection committee.
Posted on 9/27/15 at 10:01 am to BluegrassBelle
quote:Beating bad teams is step 1 to becoming good, but it isn't enough. You have to beat good teams too.
We have a winning record overall and in conference right now.
quote:Beating other good teams is a start. It is still early, so this isn't definitive.
What are your qualifications for a "good team"?
UK is much improved and not an easy out anymore. Nor sure they have done enough to be considered a good team.
Posted on 9/27/15 at 10:01 am to JohnForney
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Neither one of them has looked real good. MSU gets credit for beating Oregon ho was stomped by 42 points yesterday. Michigan had the most impressive victory of the year yesterday, beating BYU 31-0.
And then BYU will turn around and lose a game and it won't look nearly as impressive.
Posted on 9/27/15 at 10:03 am to the808bass
BYU isn't very good either. They are more fortunate than AU to have their 2 wins.
This post was edited on 9/27/15 at 10:04 am
Posted on 9/27/15 at 10:06 am to Mohican
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The rest of college football is in the same boat
4 weeks in so hard to say, but that's how it looks to me. There's not a whole lot of separation between the top and the bottom.
Posted on 9/27/15 at 10:06 am to Monticello
I think this is the ops point and he's not wrong. Used to be we would have 2-3 elite teams you would lose to if you were ooc, and probably by multiple possessions regardless of who you are. Full stop.
Then we had teams you could hang with for a half but almost certainly lose to.
Then teams that would be a "game", with some doormats.
If you graphed out the teams, the curve would shift the towards the doormats. We have more doormats, more teams that would give a "game", and almost no " elite" teams- at least not yet.
But it does look like cfb as a whole shifted down, so we'll see.
Then we had teams you could hang with for a half but almost certainly lose to.
Then teams that would be a "game", with some doormats.
If you graphed out the teams, the curve would shift the towards the doormats. We have more doormats, more teams that would give a "game", and almost no " elite" teams- at least not yet.
But it does look like cfb as a whole shifted down, so we'll see.
Posted on 9/27/15 at 10:23 am to Bham4Tide
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You have something here.
It's not just the bad teams, we are not even dominating the smaller programs anymore and are having issues beating teams out of conference.
It hurts us on a national scale, for when it comes time to choose what teams make it into the playoffs, the SEC scale (when it used to be tilted in our favor) is more even now.
Last year began the trend, this year it is very obvious.
It doesn't hurt that we have some coaches in this league that suck.
This is every conference, do y'all even watch football outside of the SEC? There is not one team that has looked dominant in every game. All of the top teams have struggled to put away weaker competition for any number of reasons.
This just might be a 2007 type year again.
Posted on 9/27/15 at 10:27 am to Datbayoubengal
quote:That was my point. We look more like every other conference this season than we have in a long time.
This is every conference
Posted on 9/27/15 at 10:28 am to Monticello
So name a team that is in your last group. TCU barely got by TexasTech, tOSU hasn't dominated anyone, Sparty isn't scary, Oregon got exposed,
Or are we just pissing on the SEC?
Or are we just pissing on the SEC?
This post was edited on 9/27/15 at 10:32 am
Posted on 9/27/15 at 10:45 am to WDE24
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Not a marker of a good team. Lots of bad teams make bowl games.
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Arkansas, Mizzou, UT, Florida, UK are good in your view?
Just stop it dude. Nobody is claiming they are good. You're trying to bring other teams down because your team is really bad.
If you can't even make a bowl game in these times, then yes, your team is got damn terrible. He changed to include Arkansas as a non bowl bound team as well.
UF will likely finish the regular season with 8-9 wins, Tennessee 7-8, Mizzu will be bowl eligible, and possibly UK as well.
I wouldn't consider them good. Tennessee is average, unless something changes, Mizzu and UK will be below average.
The SEC's good teams are still more than any other conference.
LSU, Ole Miss, Bama, UGA will finish with 10 or more wins (bowl game included).
TAMU, Florida, and Miss St are fringe and should finish between 8-10 wins (bowl game included).
We don't reign over the conferences at the moment, but nobody has a lead over the SEC either.
Posted on 9/27/15 at 10:48 am to Monticello
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Bad or mediocre teams:
Auburn
Arkansas
Miss St
Vandy
Kentucky
Tennessee
Florida
Missouri
South Carolina
Still in the hunt with a realistic chance of making the playoff:
LSU
Ole Miss
Alabama
Texas A&M
Georgia
Truly elite teams that should scare OOC teams like the SEC's elite used to:
None
All that parity we talked about in the preseason is totally gone after week 4. There is a massive gap between those two tiers.
+1
EDIT: Gators could end up having special season. They've got that "Finding out a way to Win" momentum. This sometimes has great effects on a team with OK talent and OK coaching. Especially when there's a new coaching staff in the equation. Tennessee would be total opposite of this.
This post was edited on 9/27/15 at 10:54 am
Posted on 9/27/15 at 10:52 am to Datbayoubengal
quote:Actually they were.
Just stop it dude. Nobody is claiming they are good
quote:I was just thinking of power rankings and thinking how it had shifted from years past in sorting among good teams to sorting out the bad teams.
You're trying to bring other teams down because your team is really bad.
quote:It sounds more like you agree with the op than you disagree.
Tennessee 7-8, Mizzu will be bowl eligible, and possibly UK as well.
I wouldn't consider them good. Tennessee is average, unless something changes, Mizzu and UK will be below average.
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