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re: 14 Years ago today, the darkest day in Aggie history

Posted on 11/18/13 at 10:26 pm to
Posted by TbirdSpur2010
ALAMO CITY
Member since Dec 2010
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Posted on 11/18/13 at 10:26 pm to
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I was at every Muster from 1996-2005. This is the first I've heard of people answering for someone who happened to be in the same class year. My friends who are around your age also never heard of it. I think this might just be you. ;)


No skin off my nose either way. Some do it, some don't. It's only meant as a sign of respect/solidarity for those that do, anyways.

Definitely not just me, though. And that's ok
Posted by RockyMtnTigerWDE
War Damn Eagle Dad!
Member since Oct 2010
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Posted on 11/18/13 at 10:36 pm to
It was perceived for what it was, a sad tragedy. I think with all tragedies boundaries and rivalries cease to exist. At the core of most is the true human spirit to stand up and help those in need. I wish the best for those who still mourn the loss of their loved ones, and those who were injured.
Posted by faxis
La.
Member since Oct 2007
7773 posts
Posted on 11/18/13 at 10:44 pm to
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Faxis - a group of students now builds a Bonfire off campus. It's much smaller in scale and design but retains most of what made the old one special.


I figured something like that. No way a tradition like that just stops. Good to know.

I've always believed you guys really belonged in the SEC. I hope you guys have adapted that tradition to something other than the longhorns.
Posted by aggressor
Austin, TX
Member since Sep 2011
8714 posts
Posted on 11/18/13 at 10:45 pm to
It's an ongoing debate amongst Aggies as to where it goes from here. Honestly the ferocity of that debate is part of what made it more sad. More than anything Bonfire was about bringing all Aggies together for one purpose, no matter if they were in the Corps or a Frat or a Non Reg. No matter if they were Class of '99 or Class of '44.

There is an Off Campus Bonfire and they do a good job but it isn't remotely the same. It can't be. If they brought it back on campus it wouldn't be remotely the same either because of liability. The fire at the end was just the celebration, the great part was the months of building by any Ag that wanted to volunteer. That just can't happen again.

The lawsuits that followed the accident only made everything that much more poignant. I don't blame the families but I will never forget seeing one of the Bonfire victim's mother outside of an A&M football game trying to drum up additional sympathy for her case. That was when I knew it would never come back. The ONLY way it was possible is if all the families supported it and it was clear that was never going to happen. Once again I don't blame the families but the reality of the situation is what it is.

It's just gone. Forever. That is part of why it is the wound that won't completely heal.
Posted by TbirdSpur2010
ALAMO CITY
Member since Dec 2010
134026 posts
Posted on 11/18/13 at 10:49 pm to
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There is an Off Campus Bonfire and they do a good job but it isn't remotely the same. It can't be.


They do an outstanding job with the off campus bonfire. Never had the opportunity to work on it, but I applaud their efforts. They don't try to be exactly the same, nor should they.

quote:

It's just gone. Forever. That is part of why it is the wound that won't completely heal.


This.
Posted by PowerTool
The dark side of the road
Member since Dec 2009
21094 posts
Posted on 11/18/13 at 10:52 pm to
Don't care how many Musters you attended, you're confused.
Posted by NoAC lives
Member since Dec 2012
35 posts
Posted on 11/18/13 at 10:52 pm to
The idea of a return to campus is a pipe dream. I had friends who were on the committee who looked into the idea. Never happen without insurance and insurance wasn't expensive, it was impossible. No firm who could cover it would touch it. (And really can you blame them?)

I wish they got to experience what I did, but when has that NOT been the case at A&M?
Posted by WhiskerBiscuitSlayer
Member since Jan 2013
13840 posts
Posted on 11/18/13 at 10:53 pm to
quote:

I was at every Muster from 1996-2005.


I attended many of these as well, my grandfather was one of the Muster speakers during the 90s. They did the Muster Committee meetings at his house that year and you wouldn't believe the planning that goes into the event.

TBird is correct though, it's been going on for a while and was actually done by old army more in the beginning because they were less likely to have friends or family there and people wanted to make sure that somebody answered for them.
Posted by NoAC lives
Member since Dec 2012
35 posts
Posted on 11/18/13 at 10:55 pm to
Oh I'd believe it. :) Knew several Muster Committee people over the years. I actually grew not to like the campus ceremony much. The tone was too somber, funeral like. The local musters are more what it should be like imo.
Posted by TbirdSpur2010
ALAMO CITY
Member since Dec 2010
134026 posts
Posted on 11/18/13 at 11:00 pm to
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The idea of a return to campus is a pipe dream. I had friends who were on the committee who looked into the idea. Never happen without insurance and insurance wasn't expensive, it was impossible. No firm who could cover it would touch it. (And really can you blame them?)


I don't think it'll ever come back, either. And that's a damn shame.

quote:


I wish they got to experience what I did, but when has that NOT been the case at A&M?


True dat. I know my little brother and I consider ourselves privileged to be among the few of our classmates that were able to witness the on campus Bonfire burn with our own eyes, but I wish we could have shared that withour peers.
Posted by flyAU
Scottsdale
Member since Dec 2010
24848 posts
Posted on 11/18/13 at 11:02 pm to
Very sad. I remember hearing about this back then, but never really heard much of the stories.

I do have a question though, were there safety oversight and all or is it a purely student function? The older pictures of the bonfire look scary as hell to me. 60 feet of multiple layers of lumber pointed straight up. I would be interested to know how they were able to secure them and what went wrong.

One other question, did they work on it at all hours of the night? 2:42 is so late/early.
This post was edited on 11/18/13 at 11:06 pm
Posted by EKG
Houston, TX
Member since Jun 2010
44002 posts
Posted on 11/18/13 at 11:12 pm to
Student-led safety training went into all phases of Bonfire (cut, load, stack, push, burn).

The collapse occurred during "push"--the final days before burn--when students worked 24/7 to finish the stack.

This post was edited on 11/18/13 at 11:16 pm
Posted by NoAC lives
Member since Dec 2012
35 posts
Posted on 11/18/13 at 11:12 pm to
There was some safety oversight but not not a ton. And the administration suffered the same faults as the students. It's actually an interesting study on groupthink and institutional blindness.

Initially stack (the construction phase) had limited hours but in the last few weeks it went from 6PM-6AM. It wasn't that bad - your dorm or corps outfit would rotate through a schedule - 6-12 one night, 12-6 following morning, then off the next day. The lateness didn't really matter, college students after all.

After about 2AM you'd weed out all but the hardcore.
Posted by WhiskerBiscuitSlayer
Member since Jan 2013
13840 posts
Posted on 11/18/13 at 11:13 pm to
quote:

The tone was too somber, funeral like. The local musters are more what it should be like imo.



Very true. The horribly slow cadence that the Ross Volunteers used for the 21 gun salute would kill the whole event.
This post was edited on 11/18/13 at 11:14 pm
Posted by flyAU
Scottsdale
Member since Dec 2010
24848 posts
Posted on 11/18/13 at 11:16 pm to
I would be scared to get anywhere near that even with heavy oversight and being done by pro's let alone be a worker on it.

How did they secure the trees to make the "bundles"?
Posted by Agforlife
Somewhere in the Brazos Valley
Member since Nov 2012
20102 posts
Posted on 11/18/13 at 11:17 pm to
To put into prospective



Posted by NoAC lives
Member since Dec 2012
35 posts
Posted on 11/18/13 at 11:20 pm to
quote:

How did they secure the trees to make the "bundles"?


Each log was tied with thick baling wire to four other logs.

But the primary force at work was gravity.
Posted by flyAU
Scottsdale
Member since Dec 2010
24848 posts
Posted on 11/18/13 at 11:22 pm to
That is crazy. It doesnt look like those are bundled together at all.
Posted by sorantable
Member since Dec 2008
48713 posts
Posted on 11/18/13 at 11:23 pm to
This is a good way to jumpstart some bannings. Prayers sent to all involved.
Posted by flyAU
Scottsdale
Member since Dec 2010
24848 posts
Posted on 11/18/13 at 11:24 pm to
Ahh ok.

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